I am thoroughly entertained by this. The best thing about this thread is that PGabriel thinks he is making sense and being perfectly logical and linear in thinking. Meanwhile, in the real world, you guys are chasing his peyote laced stream of consciousness muttering and trying to apply reason, structured discussion and logic. this thread needs to go on.
Healthcare isn't a right that's why you fck up a pandemic. Hellloo what year is it? Good luck having the poor waiter stop infecting others when he will be in debt if he goes to a hospital.
Bro thsnk you for responding to what i actually wrote. I guess i should not have led off on it not being a right. People just get entrenched but you would think saying supporting it would prevent some of the soapboxing
Where in the o.p. did i was against rhe. ACA. You're a way better poster than this Yes a healthier society is a happier, wealthier, more productive society. That doesn't make something a right
haha actually its friday night and maybe tomorrow i will have someone explain to me what you are saying. honestly you make no sense and are starting to rage as you do usually around page 3/4. i guess you dont want to protect prexisting which is a weird hill to die on but ok makes sense since you are a weirdo. you remind me of kinda guy that wears bowties
peter, I mean this seriously. Can you summarize the two or three points you are trying to make in a simple sentence of two? I badly want to participate in this discussion but do not know how.
Dude, we choose what our rights are... comprehensive healthcare can be a right, and is a right is every other developed country.
I agree with Obamacare Howeva healthcare is not a right Banning discrimination on pre existing is a better selling point Republicans are already running on keeping that hence its something we all agree Now just accept that was simple and and clear and dont continue to childish pile on something im not even saying Ill take the thanks back
I think the point I'm trying to communicate (perhaps not clearly) is that unless we change our moral standards, the right vs privilege debate is not even needed. Most people think it's a right; some think it's not. To me, it doesn't matter if it's a right or privilege when emergency room costs force everyone to participate in payment one way or another. Might as well pass legislation to address that issue (and attempt to improve healthcare standards and access for most), because the previous system was too inefficient and still did a relatively poor job of coverage.
ok, it seems you are discussing what is the best way to argue for Obamacare, which you support. You are saying it is not good strategy to argue that health care is a right (and you don’t believe it is). You think the better argument for Obamacare is that it provides insurance for pre existing conditions. Republicans are against protecting coverage for pre existing conditions, and we all agree that’s wrong. did I get that right?
Things that are rights are things provided by the government. While there are county hospitals healthcare is an industry regardless of its importance
OK, thx, this is clear. You're making a point about political strategy to help get us to legislative agreement. this point is unnecessary and sidetracking the thread.
This is why politics stupid. **** we all agree on something. I dont give a **** if Republicans think its a right. Just ger it done
Who makes a human right a right? Humans. Humans right didn't come written on a stone from the sky like some 10 commandments style. Women didn't have the right to vote and it was perfectly normal until it wasn't. Homosexuals didn't have the right to marry and it was perfectly normal until it wasn't. Blacks didn't have the right to vote or own property and it was perfectly normal until it wasn't. Human rights aren't set on stone. They change along with HUMAN societies.
peter, I actually want to apologize for making fun of you not making sense. I think you struggle with conveying your thoughts in a way that is easily understood by others. It was a little dickish of me to make fun of that. Sorry man,
Nobody ready I was very clear. And really this has been an exercise on why Dems keep Republicans in the game My point is sell it on something easier. They've already caved in pon pre existing conditions
