My point about rounding up the heights is as follows... Only 17 of the 81 players on that measurement chart, when measured in shoes, came in above what they were officially listed at before. That means that 64 of them (79%) were sporting "official" heights that were either exactly accurate or taller, sometimes by as much as 2 full inches, than they actually measured out. The common knowledge I speak of in regard to "rounding up" isn't an exact mathematic practice. It's a generality that is seen throughout the basketball world where players are, in the vast majority of instances, listed taller than they actually are. Just like what you can see from that measurement chart. It's a result of there being basically no advantage to ever listing yourself any shorter than you can possibly get away with. Now, I did go and look up some old NBA Draft Camp heights and compared them to NBA.com heights, and it seemed that most of them were rounding down, although I did see some cases of rounding up as well. In that regard, I stand corrected. I suppose what I was going off of was the accepted practice of inflating heights in high school and college (I know because I played in high school, and well...you can see the college inflations for yourself from what I just posted). My mistake. I still don't quite understand where the misunderstanding lies though. At 6'7", Brewer is ideal size for a SG and still tall/long enough to put in some time at SF without much trouble at all, in my opinion. They are the two most ambiguous and interchangeable positions in the NBA, really. I guess one could argue that these days it's becoming PF and C, but I think my point is clear. Just to be clear, are you in agreement with that last paragraph?
Okay, maybe you're not interested in dropping it. Huh? Because a guy is 6'7" he's not quick enough to guard SGs. I guess they should tell that to Bruce Bowen, Josh Howard, Ron Artest and Tayshaun Prince. Bowen might be more of a SG/SF that you're talking about, but it's hard not to say that Howard and especially Artest and Prince aren't pure SF's. And they do just about as good a job on SG's as everybody else in the league put together. Who's talking about replacing T-mac. Name one person that wanted to replace T-mac with Brewer. I'm talking about adding a guy who has the versatility to play different positions and play them effectively. I don't know about you, but adding multi-faceted guys sounds pretty good to me. T-mac has made it clear that losing sucks ass. If moving back to SG meant that we'd be surrounding him with better players, and had a better chance to win, I don't think there's any chance that Tracy would balk at the idea. If we drafted Gay, I would jump for freaking joy. Where does he play? Put him on the floor and screw conventional positional roles. Play Gay at the PF. He's 6'8" with long arms and athleticsm to burn. Play him at the SF. Play him at SG. Who cares. He's got the skills, size and quickness to be a mismatch at either position. Don't get locked into thinking that it has to be this way or it has to be that way. If this playoffs has shown one thing, it's that it's important to be flexible. The Dallas Mavericks are winning right now based on their ability to mix and match their personnel. All those multi-skilled, multi-dimensional players allow them to play all kinds of different lineups, matchup with anybody, and dictate the matchups with their adjustments. And even if the Heat do pull out this series, and the two superstar approach reigns supreme once again. Wouldn't you agree that they'd still give up an arm and a leg and anyone not named Shaq and Wade for a Josh Howard. Well Brewer can be a Josh Howard. Guard, foward whatever. If the guy can play then just put him on the floor and figure it out as you go along.
how can they lie when we have their pre-draft measurements? the ncaa doesn't have an official combine where players get their true size with and without shoes.
I don't know why anyone would take Reddick with a pick before the late teens. Especially now with the drunk driving thing and potential back issues. If we were lucky enough to get a second late lotto pick, why not just draft Brewer and Carney?
hi dont understand why we have to draft 2 swingmen ... imo if we trade for NO picks, we should draft Brewer (or Carney) and a PG, like Rondo ...
We have Rafer as our starting PG. Some people may not like it, but I think it's a given. I can see Luther playing a backup PG role. Or whatever his role is, his height won't change. Which means we really need more height. Both Brewer and Carney are listed around 6'5 and taller. The Rockets desperately need that. Brewer has PG skills, also. Tracy also brings the ball up occasionally. Getting the 10th pick and drafting Brewer and Carney, imo, would make us significantly mroe athletic, significantly better defensively and much more able to mix lineups than drafting just one and Rondo (who is only 6'2 and is only a PG and who I've never heard described as a great defender). If we wanted another PG, I think Mardy Collins would be an option, given he has SG size, but his value isn't so high.
Why get Rondo when V-Span is on the way? Simmons (if he lasts that long) and Brewer (if he lasts that long) would be great picks. I prefer to keep #8 and try to acquire #10 for #32 + cash. With those spots we could take a PF (Simmons) and a SG (Brewer) to go along with V-Span (PG). Could JVG coach that many rookies successfully? I fear he would be in uncharted territory without a compass. Could McGrady and Yao play with that many rookies?
His weight is also very respectable for the small forward I think. 225 lbs. and also being able to do 18 reps at 185lbs. is just as good as some power forwards in the league if not then most small forwards.
I completely agree. To me, swingspan/standing reach mean alot. Elton Brand/Carlos Boozer/Ben Wallace/Shawn Marion/Andrei Kirileno/Tayshaun Prince/Rasheed Wallace all do things that they wouldn't have done without their long arms. However, Yao Ming could be a counter example to this. Relatively speaking, Yao has very short arms compared to his body. Shawn Bradley's arms are 4'' longer than Yao's. However, Yao's a living monster in the NBA and Bradley is a pile of bones. Yao's skill level is truly amazing that he's able to overcome his body's shortcomings. Moreover, if you are 7'6 instead of 6'8, then height matters as much as swingspan. If your head is that high, who's gonna put a hand in your face when you shoot the ball?
This is why I'm partial to the standing reach figure. It accounts for height as well as wingspan to give one across-the-board number to determine how "Big" a person should be able to play. But obviously all of the physical attributes aren't as important as if a guy can play basketball or not. There are plenty of exceptions of guys who might have been undersized or not that athletic, but developed into good players, because they just knew how to play the game and were willing to work at it. Long arms or not, Yao just knows how to play, and he works hard at getting better.
i'm pretty sure spanoulis will never play for the rockets ... or if he does, i'm sure it wont last ... but time will tell
I wouldn't mind Rondo. I think he could be a player in the Devon Harris mode; long arms, athletic, good defender and unstoppable off the dribble. But he'd be more of a luxury than anything else. The last thing we really need right now is another PG that can't shoot.
Why in the hell would you want BOTH Brewer and redick- and to your post that people like me who dont even think Redick should figure in our picks ( especially at 8)- this is not about Redick VS Carney or Brewer- it is about a shooting Guard Pick Vs Josh Howard, Many G, and other studs. Redick of late has not shown that much maturity and soundness of decision making? Has he? I don't buy the rumor- he would not be telling the truth that he had a back problem in the first place! But if feel to between 15-20 why not? Brandon Roy is the only SG I would really get excited about- the rest bring bits and pieces and if ROY is not our guy- then Brewer seems to be a decent choice- not Redick!
http://www.insidehoops.com/draft-prospect-measurements.shtml Wingspans... Redick's 7 less than Carney. Is that so bad?
