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Potential of Darius Miles

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Nikos, Jul 2, 2002.

  1. catch&shoot

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    Too bad he's a twig. If he puts on some size, he'lldestroy......
     
  2. Oski2005

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    Is he still growing? He's 6-9 now, maybe 6-10. He can dribble very well for a player of his height. He just needs a consistant jump shot and if he doesn't get taller of heavier, he needs to work on his 3 pointer. People thought he could be like KG, but he doesn't seem to be as strong as Garnett, so he can't ever be a post player. I would have traded him too. Lamar Odom is their future at the SF and if trading Miles could net them Miller, then they are stupid for not doing it.
     
  3. rezdawg

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    I went to school in St. Louis. I have seen him play from his high school days up to about a month ago when he was playing pick up games in a gym. Honestly, he is just very athletic. He has NO shot at all. He also cannot post up. I dont see him improving in these categories. He can play pretty good defense though.

    I dont see him improving too much from where he is at right now. I dont think a jump shot will all of a sudden appear. I also dont see him working on a post up game because that isnt his style. He will never be a top 5 sf.
     
  4. steddinotayto

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    until the NBA is played outside on beat up basketball courts with "doubled" rims, having 'sick handles' ain't worth squat sorry to say. sure he can dribble. so can moochie. mooch dribbles for 22 seconds and then find someone to shoot and bail him out. :rolleyes:

    as long as a guy can handle the ball with both hands well and penetrate and have a decent shot, that's all he needs. having sick handles and can't finish the job with a jumpshot is worthless.

    miles has promise in him. just have to find some sort of shot.
     
  5. alaskansnowman

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    Duh... that's what I just said - he needs to find a jumper. The only reason i brought up the sick handles is people were doubting his ability to dribble the ball, which is 1 of his strongest points.
     
  6. steddinotayto

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    ..finding a shot....that's a BIG part from being a ray allen and being a shandon anderson. well enough bickering:D
     
  7. kidrock8

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    Damn newbie...

    If you actually paid attention to the Nets' games, you would realize how skewed Kidd's FG% is.

    If you watched the Nets play, you would notice that Kidd is the one Net with the ball in his hands for about 15 of the 24 seconds. Because of this, Kidd is the one (90% of the time) who has to take the "bail-out" shot. Meaning that when the shot clock goes down, Kidd has to take a bad shot. If Kidd cared enough about his FG%, he would have passed the ball to a lesser talented guy like Kittles to try and make something with 5 secs or less on the clock. This would result in a horrible shot (since Kittles can't create anything), as well as Kidd's precious FG% being higher than what it is.

    Also, if you notice when Kidd takes jumpers without the shot clock going down, he hits a healthy % of them. He can nail the open shot a lot more than you think.
     
  8. giddyup

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    Didn't you just contradict yourself? I guess it depends on what you mean by "healthy." Hey, it's Kidd's job to get the team a good shot.
     
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    Kidd has to take "bail-out" shots alot but he still can't shoot that well, period.

    I don't know about Miles, he has the potential but I don't know if he will take advantage of it. ESPN had a show ere they followed the Clips around this season and it didn't look to me like Miles had a lot of drive. He's busy hoping gences to sneak in to HS games and clubbing and not putting in extra time in the gym working on that J like Olawinkadi was doing.

    Like it was said earlier, Miles' game showed no improvement from year 1 to year 2. Just think about how much a player like Mobley has improved his game from year to year. If Miles does dedicate himself to improving his J then he could easily be a top 5 SF, but I think Griffin will reach his potential before Miles.
     
  10. kidrock8

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    So I guess you're telling me that Kidd doesn't do that? Unfortunately, no player in the NBA, is capable of creating good shots for himself and teammates on every possesion.
     
  11. steddinotayto

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    i agree. he gets the ball down court and sets up the plays. when his stiffs..i mean teammates can't create their own shot ( except for martin) they pass it back to kidd. by that time, there's only like 2 seconds left. either kidd shoots one up and prays or drives in and try to draw the foul. granted he's no the best of shooters, but if you can remember his playing days in dallas and his first years in phoenix and compare to now...he's much better.
     
  12. foodworld

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    Not Calbert Cheaney, who has had an excellent shooting touch... but never developed it beyond 19 feet, just within NBA three-point range. One of the reasons he never lived up to his college billing.

    Kidd's shooting percentage would indicate at least one of five things: he has a poor release, he can't break team defenses or has trouble finishing (in Kidd's case, he's very strong and can take anyone in transition), he cannot create shots for himself (not quick enough, or doesn't shoot well off the dribble), is a poor half-court playmaker (can't create a good look before the shot-clock expires, which shouldn't account for Kidd's 2-18 shooting nights), or his teammates suck so badly that he's forced to carry the bulk of the offense (definitely not the case, as Kidd makes his teammates better in every statistical category). Regardless of the cause, he can be an offensive liability and teams have had success by playing off of him.

    Since he's improved his free-throw shooting, my guess is that his release is better now than it was when he entered the league. However, he has had only one good shooting year (with the Suns three years ago), which leads me to believe that his game has peaked and will only get worse... but he still has five good seasons left in him.

    His game, of course, isn't limited to passing and shooting; he is a great one-on-one defender (he can shut down opposing guards, something that doesn't show up in his individual stats), and he gets plenty of rebounds (without affecting his teammates' rebounding adversely, which indicates good team defense)...

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    Malone has been taking a lot of 15-footers since zone defenses have been implemented... and his shooting percentage has sunk to a career low. His foul-shooting was never that good either, so he wasn't as efficient as he could've been taking into account that and the large number of turnovers he commits.

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    Miles is tall and athletic, which leads to comparisons to Garnett and McGrady. If he bulks up, he could make a decent power forward (his jumping ability makes up for his height)... but right now he has no position to play and his outside shooting is atrocious.

    When Miles was drafted, Barkley made some sort of comment like "Don't these schools have weight rooms?..."
     

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