[Potential Bombshell] Obama's Connections to Terrorist Fundraiser

How about when he chose to renounce him, and McCain chose NOT to renounce Parsley? I guess you're right: they're not comparable. McCain let Parsley's comments fly, Obama didn't.

...hold on, why am I arguing with a small child who doesn't understand what "begging the question" means?

 

John McCain chose to be a part of the Keating Five when he accepted his dirty money and perks.

John McCain chose Terry Nelson as his campaign manager, despite his idiocy in having been implicated in a number of political scandals.

John McCain chose Richard Quinn as his spokesman, despite his idiotic rantings about Mandela the "terrorist".

If you beleive in spewing this bull**** about Obama instead of griping about the real issues, you should start wasting some of your own time examining these implications for John McCain. I personally beleive this is all horse**** and should have no bearing in the presidential race (well, the Keating Five part does stick a bit...but regardless), but seeing as how this is the only argument you have displayed against Obama (i.e asscoiation with unsavory characters), I figure it is fitting to fight fire with fire.

 

EXACTLY.


In the Parsley thread, another poster and I asked TJ straight up to provide anything on Obama besides guilt by association... to back up his claim of Obama "not exactly bleeding red, white, and blue." He was unable to answer. Period. Because he deals exclusively in BS, not in real issues.

 

I was promised BIMBO ERUPTIONS, and BIMBO ERUPTIONS I shall have!

 

His message isn't that we are beyond race, and he made an important speech saying that race is something we should deal with. He is saying that we shouldn't use that as an excuse for not trying or that race is a qualifier or disqualifier

 

Wow, nice. AGAIN proving your hypothesis by restating the hypothesis.

Seriously, have you graduated Kindergarten yet?

 

Sums up my view nicely, "expirience" in holding down electoral positions is overrated when you have a staff of advisors and secretaries to aid you anyways. Besides, those griping about Obama's "inexpirience" are the same idiots griping about Wright. Give me at least three solid examples of how Obama's "inexpirience" has betrayed him. Have they shown in his manner of speech? Has it shown in his platform Has it shown when he has had to address the American people?

Give me examples. Quick. Is his stance on NAFTA the sign of political naievete? Is his stance on Iraq reasonable? Does his economic program of providing tax cuts for the working class just a publicity tool or something worth exploring? Is his plan for "universal health legistation" that will supposdly save the average American family $2500 a year sustainable?

 

I think it should be said here that I personally don't care about Obama that much, since I can't vote for him and I don't live in the States anyways.

But this is a matter of principle. I absolutly deplore those who use such scare tactics to try to influence others.

For the record, Obama has some expirience anyways and a lot more then the incumbent president, so please, shut up about the zero expirience hyperbola. Put up or shut up.

With that said, cite me some of these embarrasing quotes. I know Obama has slipped sometimes, but oftentimes, he has corrected himself. Show me why he is unfit to run for president based on his position and how he has embraced these positions, how he has expressed these positions. I know you don't give a crap, but if you manage to do that instead of prancing around with insults like some five year old, you will have regained at least some respect from me and some other posters as well.

 

His speech on race though was one he was forced into because of the situation with Wright. His message early on in the campaign was that we are beyond race and has often tried to downplay race as being either a positive or a negative. Considering how often Obama supporters bristle when mention of him as beign the black candidate or benefitting as being black I would say that shows how integral the idea of getting beyond race is to his campaign.

 

I agree it is idiotic like flopping is idiotic in the NBA but that's the way the game is played.

 

Doubtful.

Link?

 

This thread was better when it was about waffles....

 

Huh. I was expecting more like Obama: I'm a candidate that rises above race. instead of a generically politcally correct statement that more or less appeals to everyone...

Case open?

 

Much to your apparent glee.

Nothing in that quote suggests that race is no longer an issue. Obama wrote two books in which he made it plain that race remains an issue in this country and in his life.

The quote about the United States of America was a reference to the America he sees and of which he seeks to be president. And his campaign has been a case study in refusing to underline our divisions but rather focus on the causes which unite us. Nowhere in that premise does he promise never to have known, associated with, befriended or counted among the most important people in his life people who are and always were strictly colorblind. This is largely because there are no such people.

But while people like Jorge spend hours and days of their lives coming up with new, "improved" ways to focus this election on race ("Balack," "half Balack," "Hussein Obama," "Balack Osama"), Obama himself not only displays incredible restraint on the issue but also gives the most thoughtful, understanding (on all sides) treatise on the state of race in this country.

Judoka:

When you get a minute, I'd love to hear anything approximating evidence from a relatively reasonable (read: non-troll) poster providing that Obama ever said that we are "beyond race" or anything akin to that. Because he didn't.

 

While it might gall me to back up T_J his reference is spot on. Obama isn't denying race, but his statements are that race doesn't matter (as much) and that we are one country. Even your own statements regarding not undelining our divivisions reflect that. The problem is though how can we be one country when Wright's statements are saying we are not and emphasizing the divisions.

Obama's message is that we need to get beyond that. I will agree he might have never used the specific term "beyond race." but that is what he is saying. If you don't buy that then how do you consider him uniting the country?

Let me ask you this. Is Obama the black candidate and does it affect your opinion of him that he is a black candidate?

 

But Obama is attacking McCain and Clinton on their policies and legislative decisions, and has stayed away from attacking them based on who they have been in meetings with.

I mean come on, there's a picture of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam Hussein and that was ok for everyone! Who you know or have been on the same non-profit board with doesn't mean much of anything. Bush's family has close ties with the Bin Laden's. Who cares about that now?

All I am saying is you see Obama trying to take politics to a new level and you have Hillary here personally getting into the cess pool of old ways. It's sad to see.

And it's ironic to see that all along Trader Jorge is a Hillary fan. I always suspected he wasn't a republican.