[Potential Bombshell] Obama's Connections to Terrorist Fundraiser

Could you tell me what he said that was racist towards white people?

 

I don't think you are alone and hardcore Obama supporters don't seem to believe the power of those sound bites. Wright needs to make a major push to humanize himself and explain why he said those things -- otherwise many will be left to assume that Obama blindly followed this pastor with a negative agenda.

 

It is telling that you are playing a game of political "who-hangs-out-with-who" instead of making any attempt to address the real issue (i.e the platforms of the respective candidates). Or maybe it isin't as telling since it's all you seem to do on this forum. Regardless, don't expect the "Obamatrons" to treat your challenges with any respect, since you have clearly showed you a) do not care about the actual issues and b) cannot actually make a rational argument against Obama. I'm a rookie and have not been here long enough to really know you, but judging from the posts I see you make on a regular basis, trying to engage you in a rational argument is a waste of time. Instead, being sarcastic and over-the-top is because from my rookie point of view, you are either a) seriously misguided or b) baiting people into arguments destined to fail (since they have no substance behind them).

Now, maybe I'm the one who's misguided. Or maybe this reply will go nowhere. Who knows. I'll try to talk to you like the irrational, hyperbola-filled "internet person" you represent to me...(nothing personal...I don't know anything about your character or personality beyond your internet persona, but yeesh man)

NO, it does not matter to me that Obama is "linked" to terrorists, since the asscoiation is so flinty and represents once again ANOTHER USELESS scare tactic that once again tries to asscoiate Obama with something negative. Oh, Michelle Obama was on El Hatim's ONLINE FRIENDS LIST! Holy crap! This bulls*** just angers me. It also doesn't bother me and shouldn't bother you becasue for the last eight years, we've had a president who's not only running a "War on Terror" but also has links with the same family that is at the origin of what he is warring on. I think I can live with Obama's wife being e-buddies with some guy who's linked with a terrorist charity that's linked with Hamas.

Thankfully for all of us too that dirt flies everywhere.

Does it not bother you that John McCain was not a friend of or beneficiary of or even an asscoiate of but PART of the Keating Five, a ring of corruption and "gifts"?

Does it not bother you that John McCain openly asscoiates with a pastor (John Hagee) who has a history of anti-Catholic statements and was proudly expressing this GARBAGE just 2 years before?

Does it not bother you that John McCain ACTUALLY HIRED this idiot Terry Nelson to be his campaign manager? (and ended up firing him not because well, he was an idiot asscoiated with numerous scandals but because he wasn't doing a good job...)

Does it not bother you that McCain doesn't asscoiate but actually HIRES and SUPPORTS racist extermists like his South Carolina Spokesman Richard Quinn, founder and editor in chief of the magazine “Southern Heritage”.

I can keep on going. It's rather amusing to me to see Republicans flail every time Obama is asscoiated with anything negative when on thier side, thier own boy isin't exactly the cleanest political figure out there.

 

Of course I do. Racist is still racist. The only difference is to whom it is directed: Klan: anyone not white. Rev Wright: whitey, Jews.

 

here is some more


1983: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday. McCain voted against the Hall (D-IN) motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of the late civil rights leader the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. [Vote 289, HR 3706, Motion agreed to 89-77, D 249-13, 8/2/83; CQ 1983]




1987: McCain Supports AZ Governor's Effort to Rescind Martin Luther King Day as State Holiday. In 1987, Arizona Governor Evan Mecham rescinded "what he termed an illegal executive order by his predecessor, Democrat Bruce Babbitt, to establish a state holiday honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr." Speaking to the Arizona Teenage Republican Convention, when asked about Mecham's decision to rescind the holiday, "McCain said that he felt Mecham was correct in rescinding the holiday." [Washington Post, 1/14/1987; Phoenix Gazette, 4/13/1987]


Late 1999: McCain Said He Wasn't Offended By the Flag. In 2000, McCain said of the flying of the Confederate Flag in South Carolina, "To me personally, I understand how it could be offensive to some people, but I had ancestors who fought in the Confederate army and I thought they fought honorably." [AP, 11/5/1999]

Early 2000: McCain Called The Confedera




McCain Flip Flopped On The Confederate Flag, First Calling It Offensive And Then Calling It A Symbol Of Heritage. In 2000, during the debate over the Confederate flag in South Carolina, McCain in January called the flag "a symbol of racism and slavery", and the next day said that the flag was a "symbol of heritage." McCain “initially called the flag 'offensive,' but then quickly added that he understood the sentiments of 'both sides' in the debate. 'Some view it as a symbol of slavery...others view it as a symbol of heritage. Personally, I see the battle flag as a symbol of heritage,'" McCain said. [New York Times, 4/20/00, San Diego Union Tribune, 1/18/00]



McCain Endorsed George Wallace Jr., Called Him A "Committed Conservative Reformer," Despite Speeches to Hate Group. In November 2005, McCain visited three Alabama cities to endorse George Wallace Jr. for lieutenant governor. McCain said, "I'm proud to offer my support to this committed conservative reformer. George will bring great leadership and integrity to the lieutenant governor's office." [Associated Press, 11/17/05] Wallace had spoken on numerous occasions to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white supremacist hate group. The Council of Conservative Citizens says it opposes interracial marriage, massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples, hate crime legislation, and multicultural and “Afrocentric” curricula in schools. Wallace spoke to the Council once in 1998, twice during 1999, and gave the opening remarks to their national meeting in June of 2005. The audience for his speech included Don Black, proprietor of Stormfront.org, the most influential hate site on the Internet, and former Alabama grand dragon of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan; Jamie Kelso, right-hand man and Louisiana roommate of former Klan leader David Duke; Jared Taylor, editor of the neo-eugenicist American Renaissance magazine; and Alabama CCC leader Leonard "Flagpole" Wilson, who got his nickname shouting "Keep Bama white!" from atop a flagpole during the University of Alabama race riots in 1956. [Southern Poverty Law Center, Intelligence Report, Summer 2005; AP, 6/6/05]



Racist Ad Against Harold Ford Approved By Terry Nelson, Senior McCain Strategist. Terry Nelson, a senior strategist for McCain (now campaign manager), was the head of the independent expenditures operation for the RNC responsible for the content of the advertisements run against African American Senate candidate Harold Ford that experts said played on fears of interracial dating and made "the Willie Horton ad look like child's play." Despite Nelson's role in approving the ad, McCain strategist John Weaver said that Straight Talk America had no intention of firing him. [New York Times, 10/27/06; New York Times, 10/26/06; Union Leader, 12/8/06]


Richard Quinn, McCain's South Carolina Spokesman, Criticized the MLK Holiday as "Vitriolic and Profane.". Richard Quinn, identified as "McCain's South Carolina spokesman" as recently as December of 2005, was also a South Carolina "strategist" for McCain in the 2000 campaign. [Spartanburg Herald-Journal, 12/23/05; Vanity Fair, 11/04] McCain has defended Quinn as being "highly respected" and a "fine man." . [Associated Press, 2/18/00; New York Times, 2/8/00] In a 1983 column Quinn wrote, "King Day should have been rejected because its purpose is vitriolic and profane. By celebrating King as the incarnation of all they admire, they [black leaders] have chosen to glorify the histrionic rather than the heroic and by inference they spurned the brightest and the best among their own race.Ignoring the real heroes in our nation's life, the blacks have chosen a man who represents not their emancipation, not their sacrifices and bravery in service to their country; rather, they have chosen a man whose role in history was to lead his people into a perpetual dependence on the welfare state, a terrible bondage of body and soul. [Partisan View, Southern Partisan, Fall, 1983] Quinn has also advocated electing David Duke, and sold T-Shirts through his magazine celebrating Abraham Lincoln’s assassination. [Partisan View, Southern Partisan, Winter, 1989, PFAW Release, 2/17/00]


ABC News' Jan Simmonds reports: Sen. John McCain R-AZ spoke before a crowd of several hundred this morning in the pouring rain outside the Loraine Motel in Memphis, TN, the site where Dr. Martin Luther King Hr was assassinated 40 years ago today, and now home to the National Civil Rights Museum.The Arizona Senator also recalled how he first heard news of Dr. King’s assassination, while captive in Vietnam."I remember first learning what had happened here on the fourth of April, 1968, feeling just as everyone else did back home," said McCain.08

 

"US 'KKK' of A" comes to mind. Do I need to explain why that might be offensive to white people?

 

You can vote for or against anyone you please. But to compare Wright to the Clan is a ludicrous comparison. It demeans all those who suffered at the hands of the Klan and their brand of racism.

Nobody suffered at the hands of Wright. Sorry but there is a difference. To say the two are equal is an insulting to those who've struggled against the Klan, lost relatives to their brutal racism etc.

But for the record I wouldn't vote for Wright either if he was running for President but he isn't. Obama is, and I will vote for him.

 

That isn't racist towards white people. It is a statement against the racist history of this nation.

 

Really? Wow. No one is suffering? How 'bout Obama? His numbers are suffering. People's perceptions of him are suffering.

And please tell me where I said that Wright was the equivalent to the Klan. All I said was 'racist is racist' and that I 'wasn't assigning grades.' Surely you can understand that, or do I actually need to spell it out for you?

Wow again. Thanks for clearing that up. And thanks for telling me what I can and cannot find offensive. And thanks for telling me why I shouldn't be offended. Thanks for telling me why my perceptions are wrong. Thanks for belittling my ancestors that fought and died so that slaves could be free.

And thanks for exposing your obvious blindness to some idiot's racist ramblings and thanks for your double standards.

Obama was a willing participant in a 'church' that espouses racism, anti-semitism, and anti-Americanism for 20 years, and I'm supposed to swallow some lunacy that's its just some black thing I wouldn't understand.

Whatever.

 

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Those waffles call for the destruction of the independent state of bagelstan.

 

Did you actually listen to the guy's entire sermons? And do you realize that all white people, including myself, are still benefiting to this day from the systematic screwing-over of black people in this country over the last few hundred years?

Am I suffering because of "racism" by black people? No, not really, because they're not the ones in power. White people are. Racism does little tangible harm when the racist ones hold little power.

Go ask ten black guys how level they think the playing field is today, given a cycle of poverty and poor education that's difficult to get out of (and that isn't their fault... white people put them there).

S***, if I was black, I'd be angry too.

 

Great. I'm glad that there is no confusion about that. I don't think Obama is suffering all that much. Yes Wright hurts him, but that isn't a societal ill that whites suffer because of black racism.

I made my comments because you seemed to think that the KKK America line was racist. America isn't the homeland of the white man, and while that comment certainly is offensive, it isn't racist toward whites.

The church doesn't espouse racism, the pastor did make a racist comment with his garlic nose comment however, and made other offensive, ignorant, and flat out crazy statements over the course of 30 years as a pastor.

I wasn't belittling your ancestors efforts at all. However the govt. didn't stop oppressing blacks when slavery ended. Most blacks weren't allowed to even vote in this country until a little over 40 years ago. The govt. of the United States knowingly used blacks for medical experiments during WWII, by letting them suffer through illnesses just to test things out on them. It was only a little over 50 years ago they had access to equal schooling. It was around 40 years ago that the U.S. govt. murdered black activists in their sleep.

So if a man who served as a Marine for this nation, and experienced a lot of these things happens to make a statement against the govt. because of that, and infers that there was racism in the govt. he isn't totally without credibility.

But his statements against Italians haven't caused anyone to suffer, there isn't a group which controls the power system in this nation using statements like that to perpetuate harmful stereo-types, ignorance, and keep another group at a disadvantage.

Some of his statements were right on the money, but for the most part Wright's statements were offensive and insane, very few were racist, and Wright isn't running for President.

Over the course of 30 years at the church though, those crazy statements were the minority and most of Wright's sermons were uplifting, and thoughtful.

It's fine if you want to hold that against Obama, you are certainly entitled to.

 

I hope Americans are not going to be fooled by Trader Jorge and other Hillary groupies by these orwelian scare tactics.

It's like all they have to attack him on, by somehow trying to find links to something they can turn distasteful. Hilary is copying Republican tactics to win an election.

This is the reason people are bitter. Because no one cares about them, they care about just winning.

 

lol, not only is obama grossly underqualified (accomplished nothing) to even be in the race, he has a record of associating with some extremely poor influences....Wright (20 years!), Rezko, et al.

the guy is a sham. but he's good at canned speeches, and plus he's half-black!

 

Whether there is anything to support Wright's statements are overshadowed by the perception of his statements. The problem is that Obama has built up a campaign that is supposed to unite and transcend race yet in the middle of it he is tied to a figure who is arguing for a rehashing of grievances from one race.

If you argue that yes this country has had a history of racism and whites are still benefitting from the legacy of exploiting blacks that undercuts the message that we are beyond race.

 

The problem though is that for better or worse this is the way politics are played. It also goes both ways too. If we decry going after Obama on these sorts of scare tactics then shouldn't we also decry going after Clinton for prevaricating or going after McCain for is ties to preachers who also preach hate?

I agree that Obama has taken a share of attacks but he and his campaign haven't backed down from taking shots at his opponents and as a major candidated it should be expected that he would be under a lot of scrutiny.

 

Parsley, Hagee, Falwell.

 

Here's the thing, though: I'm a registered Republican, and I consider myself moderate. I defended McCain when the Rod Parsley story first came out. I defended Obama when the Wright story first came out. Both of them are the same pointless tripe.

Except, I'm sure at the moment everyone here gets the impression I'm a bleeding-heart liberal. Why? Because at the moment, the R's on this board seem to be the ones initiating the attacks most of the time. I'd never bring up Parsley if people would shut up about Wright. I'd never bring up Hagee or Falwell, either. God forbid we would actually focus on real issues... who wants to do that when we can discuss bulls**t instead!

It's all idiotic, all of it. Everyone in this race associates with some shady people. There are no exceptions. If anyone claims there are, they are hypocrites. Period. End of story.