Heypartner, remember this? this site does not promote drug use anymore than it promotes a husband and wife tandem double teaming your ass. You are insinuating that I claimed that this site promotes drug use, in a post directed at me. Excuse me, but any rational person can see this clearly. You then offer this gem, after I deny accusing this site of promoting drug use, [I}which is your above charge[/I]- hmmm,where did I accuse you of that? Typical tactics from a backpedaling self-righteous censor (please Clutch, for the sake of children). Protect the Children, or you are being irresponsible. Do you have short term memory problems for any particular reason? Your 1st amendment argument is silly. Whoever owns this site can censor anything I write, and kick me off anytime he wants. This server space is owned by him, and I have no recourse if he silences me in this forum. The bill of rights does not protect me here, except from government intervention. If you are worried about maintaining a certain freedom of expression here, then argue for that idea- just don't confuse the owner's power with the Bill of Rights. Government may not infringe upon your freedom of speech on this website. The Bill of Rights does not give anybody any freedoms, rather it refers to inalienble rights that government cannot take away. I have not once argued that government should come to this BBS and silence somebody, so get your facts straight please. Main point is that what is utterly lost on your righteous tbAgain-ness, is that this site is far more concerned about freedom of speech than your suggestion for censorship regarding a topic that is not blatantly offensive or merely foolish....like posting about how drunk you are. How very petty. Jeff says- Point is, you don't go into your neighbor's yard and take a **** in his garden before asking if he actually wants the fertilizer. You just end up making an enemy and getting **** thrown at your head. Take your best shot. I won't even duck. Oh wait, you and the Mrs. already did! Tozai says (in a very thoughtful and fair rebuttal)- I personally don't think Admins should cut anything unless it's vulgar, pornographic, or troll posts & repetitive threads... What is p*rnography, and what is obscene? I have voiced my opinion, and I have been blasted my many. I think pro-drug messages are obscene. What a wonderful exchange of free thought in this thread. I feel responsible for standing up for my values, and the administrators feel responsible for addressing my concerns. Good show all. ....and Jeff, YOU have a very good night.
"What is p*rnography, and what is obscene? I have voiced my opinion, and I have been blasted my many. I think pro-drug messages are obscene. " When I say p*rnography, I mean nude humans or humans doing things not meant to be done to animals while nude, etc... Vulgar-meaning things like KKK propaganda, etc... I don't think "obscene" includes drugs, alcohol, pictures of beautiful women, etc...It's fine if you object to people talking about mar1juana, but it's dumb to tell the administrators to get rid of the topic because it MIGHT affect HIGH SCHOOLERS...As I said earlier, are you kidding me? This board should have little or no effect on anyone in their right mind's stance on drugs. If you think this is inappropriate then control what you kids look at like an over-involved parent, but don't tell others to censor topics that are far from obscene for kids living in a different generation from yours...
Somewhere in the lawbooks of Washington State there exists a regulation that clearly states: "all lollipops are banned". It's a dumb law, just like the one banning marajuana. Should the discussion of lollipops in Washington be banned too? I guess we should ban the news, because they're always discussing murder and robbery. We can't let our children be influenced by that awful Tom Brokaw. I smoke two joints in the morning I smoke two joints at night I smoke two joints in the afternoon it makes me feel alright. I smoke two joints, in time of peace and two in time of war I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more.
hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. ha. hehehe. sick. p.s. be duuubious of researchers whose goal is seemingly to legitimize pot usage in their labs... and to get a ton of funding to pay for the yummy stuff, ps2 I guess that says hebephrenic not achebephrenic, damn!
I missed this earlier, so I thought you might find this interesting since you brought up the very sad case of D. Kile. I will bet his family is not too happy if you are correct, and he smoked pot even though he had a family history of early heart attack. Hey youngsters- educating yourself may save your life! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HARVARD GAZETTE ARCHIVES mar1juana Said to Trigger Heart Attacks By William J. Cromie Gazette Staff mar1juana can be hard on the heart. In the first hour after smoking pot, a person’s risk of a heart attack could rise almost five times, according to a Harvard University researcher. As baby boomers born in the late 1940s and early 1950s reach the age at which heart disease is the leading cause of sickness and death, "we may see an increase in mar1juana-associated heart attacks," says Murray Mittleman, an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health. The possible medical uses of the drug are receiving more and more attention. Mittleman thinks such use may be a bad idea for people with heart disease. The danger exists in the first hour after smoking pot, Mittleman told an American Heart Association meeting in San Diego today (March 2). "It causes the heart rate to increase by about 40 beats a minute," he says. "Blood pressure increases then abruptly falls when the person stands up. This could precipitate a heart attack." Mittleman noted that, as an immediate trigger for heart attack, pot smoking is nearly twice as dangerous as sex for a sedentary person, exercise for a fit male or female, a tantrum of rage, or a bout of anxiety. But it’s less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine. Despite the high percentage of people younger than 50 years old who report they use the drug – 12.5 percent – Mittleman doesn’t foresee an epidemic of pot-triggered heart attacks. For a 50-year-old baby boomer without other risk factors, like high blood pressure or high cholesterol, the absolute risk of having a heart attack in the crucial first hour after smoking mar1juana is one in 100,000, he says. These findings come from a study of 3,882 people who survived heart attacks. It was conducted at a number of centers around the country, including Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, where Mittleman works. In the study, 124 people reported using mar1juana regularly. Of these, 37 people said they used it within 24 hours of their heart attacks. Nine said they smoked it within an hour of their attacks. From this data, the researchers conclude that the relative risk of a heart attack jumped 4.8 times within the first hour after smoking, then dropped to 1.7 times in the second hour. That’s still double the risk, but the drop indicates that the danger declines rapidly. Mittleman admits he can’t explain exactly how pot could trigger a heart attack. It might be due to cannabis, the active ingredient of mar1juana, or merely the smoke from a burning plant, he says. Smoking mar1juana and tobacco both involve the latter, and both are now implicated in raising the risk of heart disease.
Hell, I'm up to almost 3 posts per day at nearly 1,000 posts. I would say that is being quite porductive.
Insinuating. Again the classic tactics of a selfrighteous censor. First, do you not see the humor ??? uhhhh. Secondly, how am I insinuating anything more than you did yourself by saying this: <b>If you want to have a BBS that allows the promotion of drug use while allowing minors to post here, that is your choice. </b> Silly boy. Since when do you think the word "site" refers to the "admins." Reading too much into my words, I think. I use it to refer to all participants as a community. And you damn sure insinuated the members here are promoting drugs. as for the "Oh very petty" remark. Dude, you read "like posting how drunk you are" as directed at you!!! That happens on this BBS. People post how drunk they are and those get censored and deleted. That is a legitimate point about what does and does not get censored here. Not everything is meant as an argument against you. Don't be so petty. <b>Your 1st amendment argument is silly. </b> It is not an argument. It is an opinion that this site (admins and participants) care more about freedom of expression than censorhip threads like this, which you say would be more responsible. What is silly is you censorship argument being more responsible. Just because someone can delete a thread, you actually believe censorship is more "responsible" than allowing it. This has little to do with the 1st Amendmend in its exactness, that is just an expression. It is an expression that communities expect that "inalianable right" in all corners of society no matter whether you are the govt or not. Is that foreign to you? I wouldn't doubt it since you are an advocate of the Admins censoring more things .... for the sake of the children. And I never said that you "argued that government should come to this BBS" It is cute the way you erroneously look for arguments, accusations, and insinuations in others...sorta makes it easier to dismiss arguments, when you invent them. It is somewhat schizophrenic, imo. Did you smoke pot in your early days before you became so self-righteous?
I wonder if everyone's tone would be the same if we were all talking face to face. Then again, interpreting tone from BBS posting can be very misleading. Anyhow, I feel like smoking some weed now just because tbagain is telling everyone not to. And if the admins ever decide to close this thread, I'll feel like smoking twice as much. HaHA! Actually...this thread has had no effect upon me to do anything I wouldn't normally be doing, other than making me want to post on this thread and increase my post count. Oh, and Jeff's "we are one family" rant on the first page was very moving. Bravo. Bra-vo. Oh and it's pretty cool to see a drugs thread, racism thread, fire rudy thread, and cato sucks thread all at the top of their forums. After a couple months of Ming Mania, the BBS is getting back to old form. (the name slips me, but there is this hilarious dude who has a bunch of clutch BBS theories like the longer a thread goes, someone will compare it to Dream and other silly things)
Remember that Bill Hicks bit where he says that people who have really bad road rage should be forced to burn one? "Here, smoke this. It's the law." "<toke>... Oh, sorry, officer. You're right. I *was* taking life too seriously there for a minute..." And if there is even *one* kid in high school who hasn't heard about pot in *great* detail, then I'm Arlo Guthrie... c'mon, that's where nearly everyone tries mar1juana for the first time, right? Tbagain, you're really showing your own ignorance when you argue that potsmokers are invariably underachievers. Most of the people I know with graduate degrees and/or successful careers smoke or have smoked pot, and taken lots of other drugs too! All drugs have risks - and benefits - associated with them. It should be up to reasoning adults to assess those risks and decide for themselves. And let's compare the (probably hugely underreported) numbers of people who use illegal drugs with the relatively tiny number of 'drug casualties'. It's simple arithmetic: most people who use illegal drugs are obviously not adversely affected by their experimentation, just as most people who drink alcohol are not alcoholics. (Besides, if the Beatles hadn't smoked pot and taken hundreds of acid trips, every album from about the middle of Help! onwards wouldn't exist in its current form. Sobering thought, isn't it?)
I have a brother in law that smokes pot every day, and he is a good guy in a good job, but my wife and I have noticed lately, that he shakes a little when he is sitting still. She is convinced it is all the Mary Jane he is smoking. Pot is not harmless, neither is cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and caffeine. It is an illegal substance and if caught you will suffer the consequences. I would hope that all people make up their own choice of whether to use based upon intelligent discourse. But to say that it is not harmful is just flat out lying. DaDakota
Heypartner stumbles back for more? lol Insinuating. Again the classic tactics of a selfrighteous censor. First, do you not see the humor ??? uhhhh. Since I have no power here, I can't be a censor. Nice try though, pretending you were just joking with your choice of words. In a serious debate, your choice of words conveys your thoughts, and you failed in this case. You said that I accused this BBS of promoting illegal drugs, and I proved that I did not. Admit you are wrong and move on please. Silly boy. Since when do you think the word "site" refers to the "admins." Reading too much into my words, I think. I use it to refer to all participants as a community. And you damn sure insinuated the members here are promoting drugs. Yes. I know. That was my point. If you read through this thread, many people are endorsing illegal drug use. I complained, and the administrators (through Jeff I assume) countered with their argument. It is over. And I never said that you "argued that government should come to this BBS" You argued that I was somehow infringing upon people's 1st amendment rights. Since our Bill of Rights only applies to the restriction of government force, I could only assume this is what you meant. I am glad you understand this topic better though. Unlike me, you can walk away from this discussion enriched with some new knowledge. It is cute the way you erroneously look for arguments, accusations, and insinuations in others...sorta makes it easier to dismiss arguments, when you invent them. It is somewhat schizophrenic, imo. Did you smoke pot in your early days before you became so self-righteous? You are the one who has made illogical arguments and false accusations, not me. All I did was state my opinion. If you don't like it, then tell me so, but don't accuse me of "inventing arguments" if that is not the case Self-righteousness. This is an interesting accusation between groups of people when they are BOTH claiming to be RIGHT. Happy Tuesday!
