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Post-Game Analysis: Rockets 108, Celtics 102

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 10, 2011.

  1. mazinger

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    Wow....I'm sorry but, if you're sick with a cold or flu, you need to lay off the meds before watching the game. They're causing to see things or confusing players.
     
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  2. DaDakota

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    I see things just fine, AB creates extremely well off the bounce, Kyle creates extremely well off transition.

    Where some of the AB haters like yourself get confused is in not acknowledging that some of the creating that AB does is for himself...and his assist to turnover ratio is a very nice 2.5 to 1.....

    It is ok though, I will always be here to educate you on the subtleties of the game of basketball.

    Still following me around like a love sick puppy and taking shots, I see.

    DD
     
  3. pippendagimp

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    what you posted to jopatmc was arrogant and stupid. hard not to take notice and be irritated at what you do to this forum on a daily basis. don't forget that i was in your corner for many years before, but as i've already told you, you deserve much of blowblack you've been receiving the past few months. your condescending attitude and dozens and dozens of reply posts defending that attitude are a menace here. you really do need to take a posting break.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    A menace !!...Look out everyone....it is a MENACE to have thoughts on the Rockets players.

    LOL - are you for real?

    Jopa, has just said that AB was not a facilitator...PERIOD (and that is not stupid...lol..ok)

    Look, as tired as you are of me and my posting style, I am just as tired of people bashing Aaron Brooks and totally making stuff up like he is not a facilitator, that is exactly what he is...sometimes he facilitates for others, sometimes for himself, it is 100% what he is told to do and what a good PG does.

    And you are welcome to come back to the light and be in my corner again.....there is always room for people who seek the knowledge, wisdom and truth about the game of basketball.

    ;)

    I am not arrogant, I am just way smarter than you.

    :grin:

    Now I must retreat to my estates, and have my servents bring me brunch, be gone, Pippen de Serf...be gone !

    (I am clearly having a little laugh here, please take it in the humor it was intended)

    DD
     
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  5. IzakDavid13

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    Can't we all just get along?

    It is 3:20am Down here in Sydney Australia and I can't sleep because I'm still on a high, buzzing over our big win over Boston!
    Woooo Hoooo! I Love my team!

    Goodnight ya'll , H-town!
     
  6. mazinger

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    That's not the problem. Yes, it worked for one game where Brooks took Martin's position. Again, the only reason he was effective was because he had Lowry. This is not going to work in the majority of games and has 0 chance of working in the playoffs. I don't hate Brooks, i just don't like what he brings. He is not a smart player. If his shot is not falling he keeps shooting and becomes even more selfish. At least Martin knows he's off and tries to go to the line where Brooks simply can't.

    Rick's offense doesn't need anyone to create for himself. If you're creating for yourself then you're a ball stopper. You have Scola scoring at a high rate down low with higher % shots, you have Martin shooting better and getting to the line but no...Brooks wants to have the entire pie and shoot more than them. The reason Brooks creates for himself is because HE"S A SELFISH PLAYER!! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD DD. How many people need to tell you that?

    And you want Brooks, Martin and Scola playing together? You want to give up 150 points per game? Please.....Brooks belongs in the bench.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Leap, leap, leap....

    I guess I prefer to side with the ones that know the game, like Morey and Adelman etc over people on here with a clear agenda against a Rockets player.

    This is what you are really trying to say.

    DD
     
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  8. IzakDavid13

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    Guys, it's simple, AB is good at what he does, and when he's on his game he is awesome (like most players) does he have his weaknesses? Yes he does, so does every player in the league. If we had a healthy Yao or a decent center and a J Smoove / G Wallace type defensive wing this conversation wouldn't really matter because in a TEAM your defensive guys play D and your offensive guys put it in the hole, they pick up the slack for each other.

    You gotta love the guys that give 100% , and play with heart, and AB is continuously working on his game.

    I believe we are just 2 quality players and a decent back up big from contending.

    Imagine:
    Brooks / Lowry
    Martin / Lee
    J Smoove or G Wallace
    Scola / Pat Pat / Hill
    Yao healthy / Dalembert or McGEE

    Mate! Contenders.
     
  9. larsv8

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    Wow, just wow.

    I can't think of two statements that could be more wrong.

    Brooks is practically the only player on the team that doesnt need a setup from a system or a player.

    And to say Brooks play wont work in the playoffs and Lowrys will is completely opposite of what has already occurred.

    FALSE

    Brooks is not selfish, he is playing the role that a player is supposed to play in the offense.

    Maybe Scola belongs on the bench?
     
  10. thetatomatis

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    Brooks is better than martin. Lets get that out the way now. Brooks helped lead this team almost past the Lakers into a 54 win season. Ever since aquiring Martin? He has lead us to records similar to all his past teams. His bad defense is so bad and his one dimensional scoring such fools gold that it doesnt really equate to winning. Brooks style can be on a winning tea, I would trade Martin a hundred times over Brooks. Martin is a major weakness. Brooks can at least pass well as well as score and occasionally steal a ball or two. Brooks resume? Playoffs and 54 win team. Martin? Rather thin. In fact Id rather go the rest of the season Brooks and Lowry starting and find the trade that moves Martin for a upgrade or good center.
     
  11. thetatomatis

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    Martins numbers are fools gold. Like Zac Randolphs are similarly.
     
  12. jopatmc

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    Dada is a rabid fan with strong basketball opinions. I respect that. He sees the necessity of Brooks. I see the necessity of having a Brooks type player but I think there are better Brooks type players out there (Melo). I see the necessity of a Lowry. He sees that Lowry cannot be effective for more than 20 minutes or so a night because Dada thinks he cannot play full bore for longer than that. I see that Brooks cannot and will not have shooting nights like last night consistently enough, but will, every 3 or 4 games light up some team like he did last night, and to have him as our closer is setting ourselves up for mediocrity. I see we need a better closer than Brooks. I see Brooks as a tremendous complimentary piece to a true championship team, a player in the Vinnie Johnson/Jason Terry mold. I don't think Brooks sees the floor as well as Lowry and he doesn't make plays as efficiently as Lowry does. I think Lowry is the more efficient player who contributes more over the course of a sdeason with his game management and limited shot selection and getting other guys shots and getting fouls drawn and getting to the free throw line and being able to play defense effectively on multiple types of players as more important overall in the win/loss record of a team and their ability to win a 7 game playoff series than a guy that has the ability to raise up and get the bomb off against virtually any defense and sometimes hits those bombs at an alarming rate for short periods of time.

    By the way, I am one that still feels we need to upgrade the point guard position. As much as I like Lowry and as much as I value Brooks, I still feel like we need better point guard play. I think we need an even better Lowry type distributor and finisher. And I also think we need a better go to scorer than Brooks.
     
  13. Karolik

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    Not trying to be a downer, but i'm thinking this win was fool's gold. Boston was missing Garnett, and they barely beat SA and Minnesota at home, while losing to a mediocre hornets team at home. But of course with the way the rockets have been playing, beating a playoff team on the road is still a victory...
     
  14. IzakDavid13

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    Agree, Agree, Agree, Scola on the bench? Not just yet. He does need more time on the bench as he is looking rather sluggish the past few games. Maybe his hectic schedule is catching up with him. He is putting up decent numbers though. Even though his D isn't the best.

    Brooks did very well against Boston, and still the haters are calling for his head.
    Imagine if he dropped 50, they'd be saying 'he looks for his shot too much' 'selfish' 'trade him now, we don't need players who can score 50'
     
  15. DaDakota

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    The irony is that Kmart shoots a lot (His FGA are down because a lot of the fouls he gets do not count as shots) and Lowry is shooting a lot more too.

    It is just bizzare to read the misinformation out there, it is like a warped sense of reality.

    BTW - I don't have an issue with anyone shooting as long as it is a good shot.

    DD
     
  16. IzakDavid13

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    Agree 100% mate.

    Bad shots are still bad shots whether they come from LeBron, Kobe or Martin & Brooks.

    If we can get a decent center to take the defensive pressure our shooters, then our offence would be more efficient.
    I would love to see McGee or Whiteside in Rockets Red, or even Dalembert.

    Throw in a J Smoove or G Wallace and we'd be fine.
     
  17. cheshire

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    Good win.

    Once we have a good lead in the 4th quarter, it is time to play defensive front court to close out the game.
     
  18. Serg300

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    Finally some defense in the 4th! A much needed win and to top it off against a contender. HA

    Now that’s the AB I like to see on the court! Welcome back 0!

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  19. Ender00

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    And i forgot that the rocket are playing at full strength. I seem to recall that Yao, Martin, Hayes and Miller played great last night :grin: We did great last night, give credit when its due
     
  20. waytookrzy079

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    Who do you think is available that we can get? While getting a PG like CP3 would be great, i really dont think it's gonna happen.

    A lot has been said about making a trade for Steve Nash, but if you compare AB's and Nash's numbers from earlier in his career, they are VERY similar. It wasnt until Nash's 7th season where he began to consistently put up double-doubles.

    If you surround AB with players that can shoot consistently, finish around the rim, and actually attempt shots (rather than flop into FTs) his questionable "vision" wouldn't come into question as much as it does. He's missed 24 of 38 games so he hasnt had the benefit of developing chemistry with the rest of his teammates either.

    Like DD mentioned earlier.. there were a handful of occasions where Scola was set up for a wide-open shot, but missed or turned the ball over - so those 5 assists that he finished with, could have easily been 7, 8, or even 9 assists.

    I think what a lot of people dont realize is that the reason Lowry and Brooks combo works so well is because they're completely different players. Brooks is more finesse, shoot first, lights-out shooter. Lowry is the bull-dog who will run people over, get to the basket and is looking to pass first. This is why the Kidd-Terry combo works so well.

    The only way you trade one or the other is if you do land an all-star caliber player AND a STARTING Center (not a prospect). Just adding an all-star caliber player (a PG, SG, or SF) with our weak front line is still not going to solve our problems defensively.
     

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