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Post-Game Analysis: Pistons 110, Rockets 107 (OT)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    I never understood how and why battier lasted after the trade deadline anyway. I also don't understand why bud is playing less and battier is playing more in a developmental year either.
     
  2. Jeff Who

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    Battier was needed here two years agao, and maybe even last season. But right now with us on the outside of the playoff picture there is no reason to start him and play him that many minutes.

    Maybe the team wants to stay loyal with him. It doesn't make sense though.
     
  3. el_locoteee

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    Did you saw what happen when he didn't play.

    I know Ariza and him are a drop on offense but without them this team is pathetic defensibly to say the least.

    We not going to the playoff, let Bud play the minutes his playing he is a rookie, he can't handle more minutes for now. Battier is the vet the rookies need to be on the floor. He is a smart good sample to the team and the voice on the club house, he need to be out there for now. Once Ariza gets back let him play a little less now we need him to save our defense and don't blow the confidence of our rookie.

    Wining is as important for rookies as playing time. Once the rookies get used to losing is hard to change their behavior. Battier give us the best chance now of wining, and we need to keep wining even if we are not looking to the playoff this year, it will keep the wining mentality on the team for next year.
     
  4. OremLK

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    Simple fact of the matter is, we would have easily won this game if our bench were healthy. Look at what Brooks, Martin, and Scola have been doing... they're constantly dropping 20+ each, but they're getting little offensive or defensive support off the bench. We need Ariza and Lowry and even DA back.
     
  5. rox81

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    I was joking. I was being sarcastic. There are some absolute morons on this board still talking playoffs. (These are the same morons who said, "We'll be OK," after every obvious choke-and-die routine we've pulled in the last two months.)

    Seriously, those fools can make me a rich man. Who wants to wager on those Rox' playoff chances? I'll give you 10:1. You make a thousand dollars if you win, you surrender a hundred bucks if you lose.

    Who wants to give me their hard-earned dough? It's that easy.
     
  6. JayZ750

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    Battier is every coach's favorite blanket that they just can't give up. In his defense, he does deserve to play. But to play as much as he does, and to not have his mistakes pointed out, no.

    It's unclear why Chase didn't get more minutes last night. He seems to be a hot or cold player and last night he seemed hot. He certainly could have played more in lieu of Martin's 47 minutes, or Shane's 43 minutes.

    I think much of the lat game collapses are about tired-ness. Scola also played 48 minutes, Brooks 47. Since they don't trust Conroy and ever other backcourt player is injured, AND Chase was shooting well and +14 in the time he was out there, he should have gotten more minutes, and given Shane or Kevin a breather.
     
  7. BimaThug

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    You all know I'm a Battier guy, but I do have to admit that his poor play last night was a major reason for the Rockets losing that game. He didn't get back on D fast enough on multiple occasions. He killed that fast break. The swat out rebound was one that was basically uncontested, so it was completely unnecessary. It was very frustrating seeing my favorite player play so damn poorly.

    That said, he was playing exhausted. Agreed with DD that Adelman (at least in that game) should have played Budinger much more. He simply wore out under the minutes in a 24-hour span.

    For those who think this was a normal thing for Battier, though, you need to get your heads examined. This was the exception. Not the norm.

    At least this loss might mean that the playoffs are about to be out of the picture, and then many of you can get your wish and watch Budinger all you want. (I'd like to see that, too, but still . . .)
     
  8. jason3333

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    that was a huge mistake, just suprised it was shane who did it, i would be surprised if he ever did that again. we still love u shane, but what killed the rockets was there transition defense and shane really blew those 3 out of 4 times when prince just ran his ass off
     
  9. JayZ750

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    Prince is ultimately Shane's man, but I'd be curious if it's Aaron or Shane whose blowing those transition d assignments?? Usually you want your PG or SG making sure there are none of those long outlet passes for easy layups, because one of those players should be the closest to halfcourt anyway, where as your SF might be in the lane, trying to rebound, or in Shane's case, in his corner 3 spot.
     
  10. jason3333

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    no doubt about it, but shane should know better, hes been in the league long enough, brooks need to make better choices, but at the end the whole team blew it but i still love the rox!
     
  11. Dave_78

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    Battier can't handle big minutes on the second night of back to backs. Every time the Rockets have at least a full day of rest between games he looks like a completely different player from the guy who shows up on the second night of back to backs. He defense suffers and his shooting goes in the toilet.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    That sequence at the end of regulation was one of the alltime worst performances by a role player that I've ever seen. The fast break pull-up, the backtap of doom, the three transition dunks, I mean it was like he was doing it for all the Pistons fans back in his old neighborhood at country day school or whatever.

    I think they should have sold him last offseason.
     
  13. Codman

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    Complete disappointment.

    I still have some hope. :(
     
  14. Angkor Wat

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    True, but they had an easy two or a sure foul. It's not like they were killing the clock on that play. Wasn't that the whole point of pulling back? They passed up the high percentage shot for a low percentage three pointer.
     
  15. durvasa

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    In that situation, you just want to score. Battier's mind is so fixated on (1) his own limitations with the ball, (2) wanting to kill some time, (3) the value of the corner three, that he didn't assess the situation properly IMO.

    Even if Battier makes an aggressive move and turns it over, that still gives the Rockets a chance to get back and set their defense. Instead, he missed a corner three with his defender not all the way back, and we gave them an easy transition opportunity.
     
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    You know, plays like that really irks me about the new nba and players in general. I was taught early on in basketball that 1 on 1,2 on 2, and even 3 on 3 was a fastbreak chances. Anything after that has to involve trailers and stuff like that. In that same teachings, the guys filling the lane can either go in and get the layup or pullup from about 12 ft on the wings using the glass. If you really want to know why fg% and points in general are down from the 80-90's, these are direct results of this type of play. Go watch the jordan bulls and see how many 24 ft shots they hoisted on a fast break. I will and always contend that 23-9 is 23-9 which is a long way if you've ever shot a ball from that distance. There are way too many times when battier,trevor and others shot that low % shot instead of getting a easy 2 on the lane fill or at least the foul. Battier made a poor play which he doesn't make alot of, but adelman not playing chase and not sliding jeffires over to prince who was torching shane didn't make alot of sense.
     
  17. burnnotice

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    And if they are both incompetent? :)
     
  18. Melechesh

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    You never take a three on a 2 on 1. It's mind boggling that we're paying this "intangible" guy MLE money when you can get a guy like Matt Barnes for 2m who can at least put the ball on the floor. Give me a "thug" like Barnes over mr. nice guy please. It's always the thug who shows up in the playoffs playing without fear.
     
  19. Yao4REAL

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    It's possible Rockets can get the #1 pick...mathematically.
     
  20. Melechesh

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    What really bugs me is that Morey admitted in interviews multiple times that he and the coaching staffs encouraged Trevor/Shane/Aaron to shoot transition 3s. I was like wtf. And I'm not buying this 'a 3 is better than a long 2' theory. MJ shot long 2 all the time, Kobe shoots long 2 all the time.
     

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