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Post-Game Analysis: Magic 104, Rockets 95

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Dec 26, 2011.

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  1. ascaptjack

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    Patrick Patterson going through contact scrimmage for first time. Looking pretty good, too.

    Yes, finally!!!!!
     
  2. Ming The King

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    Yesteday Houston plays street's basketball
    it was no cordination.
    it was the 1st game, and that can happen
    i'm expecting to see a much better team in the next games.

    Posive points:
    Lee was very solid
    scola as usual was great, but tired.
    Lowry has 3 greats quarters and the 4 was terrible but is a top 10 PG in the league for sure
    Dalembert bring what we was expecting, great adition

    Negative points
    martin was terrible, Richardson destroy him. i hope he get focus again
    i hope morris is a 3, because i'm sure after seen this game, he is not a 4. he cant defend players like Glen Davis, we need patersson there.
    adrien is garbage
     
  3. Rocketman03

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    what about the coaching job? I think Mchale picked some very poor line ups yesterday against the magic. A lot of mismatches, resulting in Orlando scoring more than they should have. Turk and JJ should never score 20pts in an NBA game.
     
  4. Ming The King

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    agree, Mchale was lost. Why gives Mchale so many play time to adrien, why plays Lee only in the fourth quartet. Martin was destroy by JJ too, and Budinger by Turkoglu.
    Even, I prefer stay positive and think that things will be better in the next games.
     
  5. UTAllTheWay

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    I'm not really sure how Budinger getting destroyed by Turkoglu, and Martin getting destroyed by Richardson + JJ Redick is bad coaching.
     
  6. crimmy88

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    new scapegoat hihihi
     
  7. DaDakota

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    This part is 100% WRONG !!!

    Here ya go, educate yourself.

    TWILL VS CBUD DEFENSIVE BREAKDOWN FROM LAST NIGHTS GAME:


    11:35 in 1Q CBud forces Turkey Glue into a step back 3 - Miss - Good Defense

    10:55 in 1Q TurkeyGlue posts up CBud on rt block, CBud plays good D forces bad shot as Turkey Glue falls down - Make - Good Defense

    10:27 in 1Q CBud rotates and closes in on Jason Richardson in the corner for a 3pt attempt - Miss - Good Defense.

    9:01 in 1Q Turkey Glue at 3pt line, CBud on him - forces horrible alley oop pass because CBud had hand up high - miss - pass off backboard - Good defense.

    5:20 CBud substituted out for TWill - So far CBud has played perfect position defense.

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    4:35 in 1Q - TWill caught watching the ball, his man Turkey Glue sneaks in backside for a free offensive rebound - miss by TG, DH put back - Bad position defense by TWill.

    4:18 in 1Q Twill takes Nelson on break, Nelson goes right by him for easy layup at rim - Bad defense.

    2:15 in 1Q Twill picked at top allowing Reddick wide open 3pt shot - miss - Good defense by TWill he was picked.

    1:35 in 1Q Twill caught peaking at Dhoward Reddick blows by him Twill recovers to contest a 12 footer -miss - Good Defense.

    1:05 in 1Q TWill picks up Reddick at 3pt line, Reddick goes by him for the uncontested layup as TWill trails - Terrible defense.

    10:09 in 2Q Twill on Richardson as he cuts through the lane watches Davis get a layup when he was right next to him instead of contesting shot - Make - Terrible help defense.

    8:34 in 2Q Twill on Jrich, gives him too much room allows him to get to top of key and have a wide open pass to Anderson for a dunk at the rim - got to stay closer to man - poor defense.

    8:00 in 2Q Twill guarding TurkeyGlue, gets picked and fails to follow picker to the rim as Howard rolls and gets easy dunk after JHill switched to stop Turkey glue - poor defense.

    TWill out at 5:21 and Chase back in - a really poor defensive outing by TWill too much looking around and not enough paying attention to his man or moving his feet, very lazy defense for the most part.

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    5:07 in 2Q CBud on TGlue - they run same high pick with DHoward to the hole they just ran earlier, CBud sticks with TGlue forces bad bounce pass to Howard - who still manages to score the ball - Good defense.

    4:09 in 2Q CBud on TGlue, picks him up at 3pt line, forces TGlue to left hand side, contested shot from 8ft, miss - Great position defense and contest.

    38 sec in 2Q Reddick blows by Lowry, Cbud leaves TGlue to cut off lane at basket forces a pass by Reddick - Great help defense

    That is the entire first half, there were more plays but they were inconsequention to the play of either on defense.

    Suffice it to say that CBud played excellent defense in the first half and Twill played poorly on D in the first half.

    On to the 2nd half

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    11:34 in 3rd quarter - CBud on Tglue - Anderson picks CBud and TurkeyGlue to the hole for a layup - bad team defense - not much you can do about a pick without Scola's help on that.

    10:46 in 3rd quarter, Nelson blows by Lowry and hits a back cutting TGlue for a layup as CBud trails - poor defense by CBud.

    8:35 in 3rd quarter, Anderson sets pick for Turkey Glue Cbud recovers and forces pass to DHoward while JHill watches.....- good D by CBud.

    7:41 in 3rd quarter, on fast break Cbud checks middle of lane and gives weak help on layup by Richardson - poor help D by CBud.

    6:40 in 3rd quarter - CBud picked up top by Howard recovers to force a fallaway 12 footer by Turkey Glue - make - Good position defense, better shot.

    5:40 - CBud out - decent defense in 3rd quarter, not as good as first half but in position very well most of the time.

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    Twill on at about 2:30 in 3rd quarter:

    TWill on Von Wafer who stood in corner and watched Magic offense - and Twill stayed on him pretty much - literally neither did any movement on that end.

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    4th quarter:

    11:00 of 4th Q Twill on TGlue, pnRoll with Big baby, TWill sticks with his man forces TGlue to make pass off of Sammy's foot - Good Defense.

    10:15 another screen and roll with BBaby and TGlue - Good defense by Twill recovering to contest the pass.

    9:00 4Q - Twill switches to Big baby gets caught watching ball gives up wide open 15 footer to BBaby - miss - Poor defense.

    8:25 4q - Twill and CBud in - next bit about both of them.
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    8:15 4q - Cbud on TGlue, forces him to his left to take a fall away 20 footer, make - good defense.

    7:29 4q Cbud on TGlue, pnr with DHoward, Cbud recovers, good help D by JHill, and they force a bad shot by Howard CBud rebounds - Good Defense and great team help.

    CBud back out 6:30 of 4q.

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    4:04 in 4th Q TWill up tight on TGlue, TGlue uses weak screen to get seperation and blows by TWill for an uncontested layup at rim. Poor defense, no need to get so tight 25 ft from basket, over aggressive.

    1:30 in 4q TWill watching Howard with ball TGlue slides a little, Howard back out for an uncontested 3pter - Good - poor defensive awareness.

    1:07 in 4q TGlue iso on TWill forces left fade away 12 footer - miss - Very good defense.

    12 seconds left in game 6 point game, TWill caught looking AGAIN at ball pass to a wide open TGlue for 3pter - make - ball game - Horrendous attention to defense at a crucial stage of the game.

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    There ya have it Clutchfans, comparison between CBud and TWill overall Cbud was the MUCH better defender both as a teamate and in one on one situations.

    TWill is athletic, but so often is out of position and while Bud is no Shane Battier he was almost ALWAYS in the right spot both in help defense and in one on one D.

    It is not comparison, in this game, CBud was a good defender, and TWill was a poor one.

    The only conlcusion is that too many people around here fall for the "Big athlete with a big mouth" and overlook the solid performers.

    Hopefully the coaching staff is not that stupid.

    Don't spew the company line when it is wrong and only based upon people who see a player thump their chest when they do something.

    DD
     
  8. daywalker02

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    Good lord.....
    You can defend yourself all you want but your track record...says Spanoulis, Brooks, Wafer, Thabeet

    You should go with the mainstream....that's easier.
     
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  9. DaDakota

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    Sorry DayWalker, it only says that too idiots with an agenda, let's review for the folks that want the truth rather than people just spewing the company line.

    1. VSpan - Rafer sucked, team going nowhere wanted them to play him a bit to find out if he would be part of the future - nothing more than that.

    2. Brooks in his one year as a starter was just as good as Lowry was last year and arguably better in some regards - he got hurt last year, and lost his job and was traded - I moved on..., I expect both he and Lowry to have solid NBA careers with varied skillsets.

    3. Wafer - Wanted him for a cheap contract, liked him off the bench - when we got other options, didn't need him anymore - case closed.

    4. Thabeet - Just like VSpan, our team is going nowhere, want to find out if he can actually play, and need consistent playing time to find out - nothing more than that.


    So you see the mythos that surrounds this is like the mythos of Twill being a better defender than Cbud, it is just not true right now, but it is easier to just listen to what the majority says and not think for yourself, people are generally lazy that way.

    ;)

    DD
     
  10. daywalker02

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    Aside from all this,

    Never said Twill will become AI 2 but he has the physical tools to become a 1 on 1 defender, whereas Bud can only hope to help out here and there......
    Cbud and Kevin Martin are not fun to watch together on the defensive end.
    ...
    They got it together because of Rick and that was with help of Chuck and BradMiller
    Normally you need a 2 who has swagger that Tracy, Steve and Metta had back in their days on offense
    getting to the rack consistently
     
  11. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Adrien is rubbish and should not be getting any minutes
     
  12. True Rocket

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    What's up with Jeff Adrien? Lol how did he get thrown into the rotation. No way he should be getting minutes over Morris.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Or anywhere on an NBA team.

    DD
     
  14. ascaptjack

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    Like Thabeet.

    ;)
     
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  15. DaDakota

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    He is on an NBA team, and will be 10 years from now too.....

    DD
     
  16. anchel

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    I'm with him at some of the things he says. E.g: Currently I consider Bud a more efficient defender than Terrence, being the last one a player much more potential -obvious-. At least Bud cares more about D.

    Also, here you got another advocate of the Tanzanian, for now. I neither did understand the decision of leaving him inactive for that game...¿? But I guess McHale must have a particular reason for that -that probably we don't know-.

    I still have some faith in him, at the least want to see his progress under this coaching staff.
    Also, normally people tends to severely underestimate 7-X guys. Just respect that size and potential to eventually change the course of determined games.
     
  17. daywalker02

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    maybe....he played more minutes what do you expect?
    Twill however has the tools to become a better physical defender.....
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Do these alleged tools include the ability to stay focused on team play when on the floor?

    TWill's biggest obsticle to being a quality NBA player is all above his shoulders....

    Right now, he is a slightly better version of Von Wafer......that's it.

    DD
     
  19. daywalker02

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    ;) You are basing that on what.... a sample of a few games. including preseason...
    Against Orlando the whole team was out of sync.
    I agree that he is a headcase but that doesn't make him so much inferior to your boy.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    No, it is based upon 2+ years of his head being an obsticle to him being on the court.

    I find it hilarious that people ignore the 2 years prior when good coaches passed on him, and instead of TWill putting his head down and getting to work to get better, he whines on Twitter.

    I don't give two ****s for what the man sas on Twitter, just put some work into playing smart basketball and stop relying on athleticism..it is not enough at the top level.

    Lots of top athletes are out of the game because they failed to get the mental part of it.

    That is the spot TWill is at right now.

    DD
     

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