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Possible US Airstrikes on ISIS in Iraq

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Aug 7, 2014.

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  1. A_3PO

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    Liltex won't go on the record. He wants enough wiggle room so he can criticize Obama if things get worse but not so much that if his point is wrong you can hang him with it. Hence the hazy "more" ground troops. It's like the old Price is Right where a contestant would bid $1 more than another.

    This is a huge aspect of his trolling.
     
  2. Dubious

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    I know, but sometimes my incredulity gets the best of me.
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    Just look at your meltdown. It even comes complete with a link to a Mother Jones article! Your defensiveness is indicative of the confidence you have in Obama to try to reverse the tide that ISIS currently rides. We need ground troops in there -- lobbing bombs isn't getting the job done. Exactly how many? I'll leave that up to our military's recommendation as to what's needed. Our enemies sense Obama's weakness and they are taking advantage of it.
     
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    Is it logical that getting more bogged down in Iraq makes us less vulnerable elsewhere?
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Loss of Ramadi is painful for U.S. troops who fought in Iraq. <a href="https://twitter.com/RichardEngel">@RichardEngel</a> reports: <a href="http://t.co/SQPImYuKku">http://t.co/SQPImYuKku</a></p>&mdash; NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/600835844698607616">May 20, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    Obama is undoing the brave work our troops performed. Really disappointing to watch him squander this by his soft action.
     
  7. larsv8

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    True, Obama is slowly but surely undoing the spending nightmare our troops indirectly caused.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    Now a full blown humanitarian crisis in Ramadi. 25,000+ refugees, fearing for their life, now heading towards Baghdad. They may get turned back for fears of militants in their ranks.

    How are those airstrikes working out, Barry?
     
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    About to punch back. Here we go.
     
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    Who, Iran?
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    Yes, the country you're suggesting the United States send ground troops to "help". The same patrons of the miltias that killed 25% of American troops in Iraq at one point too.

    One of the funniest strokes of history: the moment Bush announced Iran was part of the "Axis of Evil" while they were supplying intelligence on how to defeat the Taliban began a series of events that now sees Iran influence or control the Gaza Strip, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen.

    Any American action at this point helps Iran. American troops on the ground could give Sunni militants more reason to line up behind Iran, and Iraq's government would need to cede even more power to their patrons to withstand the public uproar of American boots on the soil.

    Not to mention the fact that America will be sending troops in support of Shia militias and Iran.

    The great continuance of a legacy of utter failure. Bravo American politicians on both sides of the aisle, and hats off to the principled few who did not want to set the Middle East on fire and cede it to Iran (looking at you Wyden).
     
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    About as well as the entire War on Terror. ;)
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    So Northside's response: Offer some hindsight snipes, but his solution is to let ISIS do their thang.

    So Northside, do you think this year might be the year that Canada ends their Stanley Cup drought? 22 years
     
  14. Northside Storm

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    American boots on the ground > accelerating ISIS beyond measure. It's what they want, really.

    If you wanted to talk ACTUAL solutions, we can point to the Gulf States acquiring fighters and air power, questioning the "superior" advantage Israel has to maintain over Arab states, how to manage the active war between basically every Muslim group and ISIS (which is now at war with Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, Syria, Iran, the Gulf States nominally, the Kurds etc.), sanctions/financial approaches to stopping the flow of ISIS oil (or better yet, removing dependency on oil altogether! ha) algorithms to highlight public ISIS communications online, and ways of linking them together/acting on them so as to stop recruitment en masse (they behave in a certain pattern that would make them very suspectible to classification algorithms deployed on public networks with no need for any encryption breaking, really).

    ISIS HAS to build a state to maintain legitimacy. Deny every oppurtunity for them to do so, win the war on preventing them from accessing the engineering talent and economic resources they need. You don't need airstrikes to undermine a state as assasins from the Mossad and Stuxnet have so amply demonstrated.

    But you're not here to talk solutions: you're here to talk problems.

    ps: Sports and nationalism are the hallmarks of an unfocused mind

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    --HABS IN 2016 BRUH
    (bruh all the Canadian teams are eliminated, you need to withdraw any hockey bets you've made)
     
  15. Cohete Rojo

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    Fighting Hezbollah? Hezbollah is the Shiite militia.

     
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    Hahaha, this is a great inadvertent self-burn by "daily insurrection" (seems like a fine publication, I didn't see it at my corner news stand earlier, I'll have to look out for it.

    Bush's legacy WAS a toppled state.

    What went up on that plinth (like how I used the word plinth? Yeah mf I am cooking now) to replace it was...

    ...

    ...

    ...

    NOTHING

    And they had no realistic plan to replace it with anything other than "oh yeah a democracy soup will start to boil instead, because FREEDOM"

    Unto the breach stepped various factions, Shiite, Sunni, Al Qaeda-affiliated/ISIS, Iran etc. And it's still that way.

    Good job Bush, Rummy, Cheney & co. Good effort.
     
  18. A_3PO

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    Sorry liltex, both of these are the Bush legacy. Continue living a delusion.
     
  19. larsv8

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    lol if you think that is Bush's legacy.
     
  20. Remii

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    Couldn't the mainstream media entertainers be thrown into that basket as well...???
     

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