I understand our cap space won't go away after Rice's contract is up since that's when Francis' max contract kicks in. The point is, it's not the end of the world if Posey leaves the Rockets. There's still other players out there that would be a good fit, or even better fit for the Rockets. And eventually those bad contracts the Rockets have will expire. Yao should be just starting to get in his prime by the time those bad contracts are up. It's all a matter of patience.
Right, let's all wallow in mediocrity for a few more years, waiting for Yao to reach his prime on a crap team, and then leave us for the Lakers or New York when he realizes that Stevie is past his prime & CD has surrounded him w/ CBA level trash.
screw Posey then, if he is just thinkin about money and not where his best chances of success, self and team-wise... then i say we dont want or need him... what is up? Arenas picks Wizards, now Posey picks Griz? i just dont understand some people I guess Les and CD dont really want anybody to show up at the new arena, or to buy the new logo-branded merchandise since it is beginnin to show that the Rox are going to be a worse team than they were last year.. I guess being in the bottom of the NBA in attendence doesnt hurt the ole Les pocketbook as much as we would think
Posey was able to come in mid-season, and hit the ground running. I am part of the 'sky is falling' regime b/c i see him as an integral part of our nucleus...With his size and athleticism, he's both an offensive and defensive threat... Bottom-line, he's simply a good fit for this team!!!
London you do not have the foggiest idea about Posey and what he means to this team. First your take on his outside shooting is way off. I am not sure how many games you have seen but Posey outside touch is much improved. The rockets must match. Have to match!
[I am going to post, than read everyones comments.] THIS IS GREAT NEWS. This means that we are going to get James Posey with a 4 year deal for no more than 22 million. I was kind of getting worried that the LAC would match Maggette, and the Nuggets would put together a deal that would really make us sweat (high 30s or 40 million range). But a big thanks to Memphis. Our realistic threats to Posey were from the Nuggets and possibly Miami or Utah. But 4 years/22 million--no problem in amount or years.
Two misconceptions I've seen in the report and in the thread... 1) Players signed with the MCE can be signed for up to 6 years; there is no limitation on contract length specifically for the MCE. This was on pg 2 of the thread. Case in point: Juwan Howard, who signed for a 5yr deal with an option for a 6th at the MCE. 2) The Rockets have Posey's bird rights and as a restrcited free agent coming off of a rookie-scale contract, they can match any offer, regardless of the cap. This was in the first post of the thread. The luxury tax may be another question, but a) we have no idea what that figure will be for next season and b) does not prohibit the Rockets from matching any offer given to them for Posey.
We will have to wait for the dollar number to come out. If it only put us slightly over the cap, then I say we take the bite. If it puts us deep in lux tax, then it must put Memphis deep in lux tax too, then I would say "**** Memphis". Let them pay $5/year lux tax. I think they made Posey the offer hoping we will match and put us in deep trouble. Let them get backfired. we can save the cap space, and together with the $9.5 mil freed from Rice's contract, we can do something next offseason.
lol, I've never triple posted in a day, but some of the people on this board are extremely negative. Let me give an example of the Spurs a few years back for you. The Spurs were in the ****hole as far as capspace goes a few years back. One of the main reasons was the enormous contract they acquired in Steve Smith. It took a few years for the Spurs to be relieved of that **** contract, which is the exact same year that David Robinson agreed to retire on, just so he could leave the Spurs in the best position possible to succeed after he left. They didn't make any enormous outrageous trades or bold moves. They were ready to settle for mediocrity with unknown players they had no clue would succeed so well like Stephen Jackson, Manu Ginobli, Speedy Claxton, and Tony Parker. Believe it or not, these players were unknowns a couple years ago, and weren't even considered as being part of the core to being a championship contender. The Spurs were able to succeed with this team of would be mediocre players, and were patient enough to not sign big money contracts, and let their bad contracts expire. They did what was right by not getting hasty, and waited for their past mistakes on bad contracts expire. In the meantime, those mediocre players got themselves a ring, when this honestly was a team designed for being mediocre. I don't even like the Spurs, but I respect how they handled their cap space by waiting for their bad contracts to expire. All I ask is that you show some patience guys. The Rockets may not get a championship by sticking with their medicore role players, but by waiting out on their bad contracts to expire, they'll be in the best position possible to make the right moves, and get the right players. Also if anyone can get the most ouf of his players, it's gotta be JVG. He'll teach this team better defense, a better set offense, and most of all discipline. Who knows what to expect for the future. Boki may blossom under JVG. Francis may learn to play disciplined ball under JVG. Our team will be better.
The rocks could not be worried about luxury tax when you let great value (benefit/cost) like Tmo who can cover 4 and 3 just walk. The sad thing about it is the Spurs had already proved last year that they were better than us in utilizing and bringing along talent. We had Snackbar and they had Gino and see the difference. Now we non-chalantly and arrogantly, if you ask me, just hand over Tmo to the Spurs, a team with endless loose change.
Thanks mfc for putting sanity into this thread. We low balled Posey and he/his agent had to see what he could get. 4years/22mil seems like what he was able to get (if true). We of course will match and the years are not bad. Now if Memphis put out 6 years at like 34 mil, max MLE, it would have been harder to match. If the Heat or Nugs got involved, even bigger problem. Again,at the beginning of this offseason you told me we only had to match a 22 million dollar contract to keep James Posey I'd take it in a second. We can even drag Memphis for a ride for 14/15 days in the process. The only think I had hoped was maybe a million or 1.5 mil less at the start but more years, like 5 or 6, so we could have more room to sign someone like Pike. But I'd rather have JP first, and if Memphis is in play with this 4 year MCE deal I have little doubt we will match it unless we have bigger fish than James Posey in the frier.
Argh 4th post. Yes I've seen Posey play. He did have that set shot going towards the end of the season, and he did have that streak where he made like 7 or 8 in a row against the Clips, and carried it over for a few games, but for the most part his perimeter game wasn't consistent. Make a few threes in a row 5 out of 82 games and shooting below mediocre the rest of the season doesn't all of a sudden make him a good shooter. I know my assessment of him. He's a good defender, good at running the fastbreak despite sometimes looking like he was out of control, and hustled a lot. He's not still worth a big contract, and still won't be the savior of this team to give us a ring.
London are you kidding me? Those so called mediocre players were mediocre to you and others but were diamonds in the rough to the Spurs. Give them credit. It is exactly there that they excel and we fall down. We have no less that four bad contracts on our roster because we made judgement errors. Similarly we allowed Jones and T Brown to go so we can end up with Maddox who we picked when we could have picked Smush Parker. So it is not about patience, it is about our inability to appraise and develop talent. You think the Spurs would have traded RJ and two other first rounders for EG? Why would you ask me to have patience with a management team that has a boat load of poor moves?
So Posey wants a lot of money. Isn't that what we were expecting? At least it's not as outrageous (if 4 yrs/22 mil is rite) as some other signings this offseason. If Rox aren't willing to match, a sign and trade should be in order. There's plenty of talent on the Grizz that we could take. Don't worry, this isn't the end of the world.
Just for the record you can't include additonal players in a sign and trade deal. (Someone mentioned it farther up.)
