[Portland talk Radio] Morey wanted to move Battier/Alston last offseason

They only can match to MEL.

 

Toronto own his bird rights they can give him up to a maz contract.

If you don't understand how trades work this site is very helpful.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

 

Im not 100% sure on this but if James Jones was healthy for most of this season I don't think Webster would have started. Last i read was that he was the odd man out. Him or Frye. The only reason why this season he started was because Oden was out and Frye and Aldridge had to play C alot more with Outlaw sliding in at PF. Depends on what they do with both Frye and James Jones this offseason

 

Players like James Jones,Matt Barnes,and Mickael Pietrus are possibilities with the MLE. I'm not saying they are ideal players at the 3/2 but they might be worth a look.I like Barnes more than Pietrus because his outside shot is a bit better despite his disappointing season,James Jones is also interesting. I think Pietrus can be a good defensive 2.

 

Why don't you directly explain it clearly here?

 

hahahaha

 

If the trade yielded Rudy Fernandez (did I get his name right?), then HELL YES. But it would depend on all the players involved. At least make it an even trade....no more giving away Rudy Gay-type trades.

 

Are you sure? Here are the parameters of the Eddie Curry trade....

October 4, 2005 – The Chicago Bulls convey to the New York Knicks the contract of Antonio Davis and the signed-and-traded contract of Eddy Curry. In exchange, New York conveys to Chicago the contracts of Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, the signed-and-traded contract of Jermaine Jackson, and New York’s regular second round draft choice in 2007 and 2009.

Forward from the quote....

Antonio Davis made $13m and Tim Thomas $14m in 2005-06. Not sure what Curry's SnT was but he currently makes $8.9m so he alone couldn't have been traded for Thomas.

And Curry alone couldn't have been traded for Sweetney + Jackson. Sweetney was on rookie scale at # 9 and Jermaine Jackson made less than a $1m in 2002. It appears to me they all had to be combined.

 

Are you sure they were not just sitting next to Gater instead?

DD

 

I'm partially convinced the talks with Portland centered around a package of Outlaw, Jack, and Webster for Battier and Alston. One of the two sides didn't want it.

I'm a little concerned with Outlaw's BBALL IQ. I'm just not convinced that he's got it upstairs. I get the feeling that Portland is trying to oversell him. He is a sick athlete, but I just don't see the brains on the court.

The reason I bring this up is because I think Adelman's system is predicated on having smart basketball players with skills. When you look at the Sacramento team, which players did not appear to have the iq? They all appeared very court savvy to me: Bibby, CWebb, Vlade, Peja, Christie, BJax, Turkoglu......they all seem very high iq basketball savvy type players. That team had Scott Polard who is a knucklehead, dude was a backup, not used very much, and it had a young Gerald Wallace, who, despite his incredible athleticism, could hardly get into games. I think this was mostly due to poor bball iq. When I watch Wallace today, I still thinks he lacks in bball iq and court vision, in the ability to do different things on the floor. He just relies on his body and athleticism to get his own offense. I just don't think that fits into Adelman's system. And I wonder about that very thing with Travis Outlaw. Outlaw strikes me as another one dimensional player, able to run and jump through the roof, beat his man down, and in the halfcourt, he is fast enough to run loose from his defender. But other than shooting the ball or dunking it, don't see what else he can do. I don't think he is a very good defender, not because of lack of skill, but because when I watch him, he gets outsmarted, loses his man back door, makes bad decisions on doubles, and leaves his man way too open on PnRs. Just not sold on him. Of course, we could be evolving into a fast breaking team with McGrady at the point and all we would need from Outlaw is some speed on the wing, the ability to finish and the ability to hit the jumper effectively.

Martell Webster, I think, has fallen out of favor in Portland. And I think that's why they want to deal. They don't want just a shooter at the 3. They want a guy that can defend and shoot (Battier). And I think they are looking to build Roy into the point with Fernandez at the 2, and then Shane at the 3.

Jarrett Jack is the PG I wanted out of that draft. He went 2 spots ahead of Luther. I always liked Jack at Georgia for his fighting spirit and winning attitude. Not to mention he could ball. Don't quite understand what has happened up in Portland. I still think he is a quality baller and would represent a significant upgrade over Rafer and could play off McGrady very well. Don't understand why they aren't starting him at the 1 with Roy at the 2 and Outlaw and the 3. Whatever. If we can get him, I want him. Go read his DraftExpress profile. Fits Adelman to a T. Good defender. Improving shooter. Smart. He's already a fairly efficient scorer, much better than Rafer. Rafer for him is a no brainer.

I think I'd do a Battier-Rafer-Luther deal for Jack, Martell, and Outlaw.....even if it cost us our pick. I think it would improve us tremendously.

 

Gater is dropping heat! I was thinking the same thing about curry. That's why I'm wrapping my mind around the Gordon sign and trade scenerio. Chicago has done it before and probably would be ok doing again. I think for all the negative threads about tracy, getting a guy like Gordon is what really makes him special. The rox sign and trade for gordon, he's exactly the guy to play pg in position only. U put gordon on the court with Tracy and Yao, now u have tracy as the pippen type. I can easily see 18-8-6 for tracy and 18ppg for gordon and 19 for Yao. Plus Gordon has been able to feed the post and is a 41% 3pt shooter and 90% ft line. When teams double Yao or tracy, they will have a hard time closing out on gordon.

Gater u have me going on this Gordon idea.

 

I am really tired of this team year after year same rosters. Especially the fact that other teams are able to add talents and i am talking about good teams....like Suns w/ Oneal and Nuggets with Iverson and now Kidd with Dallas. I just think this team need a shake up and they everyone except Yao Scola Battier and Landry.

 

What about the blazers? Who was the brains on that team. I think adelman can flat out coach if u give him players.

 

Straw man arguments are fun, aren't they little man? Gater, I know your Very Important Fact Checking exercises must fill some kind of void in your life, but all of that time you spent finding out the truth about the Memphis Grizzlies (bravo!) doesn't refute the point I made- it's easier to replace wing players who score in the NBA than it is to find players like Battier. Battier's Grizzlies teams were among the best defensive teams in the league for the most part (I would now say you can look it up, but I'm sure you've memorized this information and wrote really, really interesting essays on Memphis Grizzlies basketball lore to read to your pet hamster). Does this mean Battier was *solely responsible* for his team's defensive performance? Of course it does! *Now* you have a place for all of your, uh, devastating analysis of the 2006 versus 2007 Memphis Grizzlies roster. Feel better? You can run along now.

 

BMoney- I think Battier types are a dime a dozen. If u go look and see who manned the spurs wing spot before Bowen, you'll see jaren jackson,sean elliot, stephen jackson as well. None were known as lockdown defenders. Who are the lockdown wings on boston right now? Posey does the same thing and it doesn't cost u a lotto pick. I'm not saying Battier isn't important, I just think his value is overblown.

Traditionally, the wing is ur most versitile player. He's ur best athelete,defender, passer and everything else. He's the jack of all trades. Its hard to have Rafer and shane in a lineup together playing against the same team in the playoffs. If the rox had another high quality 3rd scorer, then shane is the glue/ garbage man, but they don't.If u were to put shane on the grizz this yr,they wouldn't have anymore victories.

 

I don't know what the Blazers are gonna do with Channing Fry when Oden gets back but I think he would be a good addition to the Rockets.
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First of all let me say,I like Gordon but I'm concerned how will he be able to fit in with Tracy/Yao. Gordon can create his own shot and drives well to the basket which we desperately need but can he function as a catch and shoot SG because Tracy will have the ball in his hands as the 1? Secondly, how can we get him without giving up Scola as part of a package provided they want him, which is something I would be reluctant to do? Landry's stock has fallen somewhat and probably won't be of much interest to the Bulls. They might want Brooks in place of Duhon,but I don't see Brooks/Battier plus our 1st round pick being enough to get the job done. I admit previously I felt Landry could be an important player in a trade for a 3rd "star" but I've changed my mind because of his injury.

 

I think you hit it on the nail yourself

How long have the Spurs had Bowen? His been pretty useful for them if you ask me. And to add to that fact someone like Prince? They are all pretty hard to replace.

 

do not trade battier, he's a true rocket.