So you are saying the Jazz send Boozer to the Bulls for Tyrus Thomas and Hinrich, but Hinrich gets moved to the Blazers because they're under the salary cap and the Jazz don't want him? So the Blazers either get Milsap free-and-clean or Hinrich in a trade for basically nothing (like giving up Bayless)? Maybe if the Jazz don't match, the Blazers keep Milsap and still make a trade to the Bulls for Hinrich? Now my head hurts. Time for bed.
Why would they give Pryzbilla?- not to long ago they use the 1st pick in the NBA draft to get 7'0 guy(Oden, the once in a generation player,hahah )...who's suppose to be the guy they were going to built around, the guy is only 21yrs old..... "Milsap is 6'8 for pete's sake", if portland really wants a 6'7-6'8 P.foward who are we to stop them ...chill dude your getting to worked up for nothing Can Aldridge play the 5 spot?- Aldridge can play the 5, all he needs is to put on some muscle, the guy is 6'11 with 7'6 wingspan and one hell of a mid-range jump shot & he's only 23..... if we can steal some of Portland's young players in all of this commotion I'm all for it............
Getting Millsap renders Przybilla or Oden redundant, and I can't see them trading Oden. Maybe the rumored Przybilla trade happens in that case.
The Blazers can't take on Hinrich if they sign Millsap successfully. They could hypothetically take on Hinrich because they have cap space (they are not trading a matching salary) but not if they use it to sign Millsap. I think if the Jazz match, it will push them harder towards trading Boozer and take back less salary, and I think Portland is the only team that can make that happen. Perhaps the Blazers are fine either with getting Millsap or the Jazz matching and forcing their hand into making a Boozer trade.
Pretty much. We don't know whether Chicago has any interest in Milsap, so this might be a bit of a gamble by Portland if the player they really want is Hinrich. I think the situation is like what ArtisGilmore said, Hinrich is actually Plan A, while getting Millsap is an adequate Plan B. According to ESPN Chicago wants more for Tyrus Thomas, they want Bayless, but are willing to not demand Bayless if Tim Thomas was swapped for Tyrus Thomas. Utah nixed the deal because they want Tyrus Thomas. Now they may be forced to take Tim Thomas, go into lux tax, or find some other way to sweeten the deal for Chicago. On the one hand my head tells me I should be more worried about the Blazers assembling a juggernaut team, but my heart is rejoicing Pritchard is screwing Utah over Like I said in the original Portland/Utah/Chicago trade thread, I thought the biggest winners of that trade would have been Utah. But if they're only getting back Tim, then not so much.
Can't Utah eliminate the myriad of problems they're facing right now by just finding a trading partner that's under the salary cap? For example: Sacramento is under the salary cap (approx $6 mil under according to ESPN's trade machine) and can essentially trade Kenny Thomas and his expiring $8 million contract for Boozer's $12 million contract, thus shedding about $4 million off of the books. This, in turn, can be used as cushion to match Portland's offer for Millsap. Of course, a team like Sacramento would have to be willing to take Boozer in the first place (something that I could see them doing since it's just a one year rental to try and put together a good nucleus of Boozer, Martin, and Evans)
Once you take in rookie contracts the only team besides Portland that can absorb that kind of salary is Oklahoma City. The Espn trade machine is wrong, Sacramento is right at the salary cap after signing their early first round pick. We could help them out if we find a 3rd team and if Les wants to go ahead and pay the luxary tax. I would hope so for a Boozer and CJ Miles package or a first rounder next year.
Game over. It's war now. Pritchard says 3 team Boozer trade is dead I can't think of another team besides the Blazers with interest in helping the Jazz dump Boozer's salary so they could sign Milsap. Pritchard has shish-kabobed the Jazz. Let's see if Kevin O'Connor can figure a way to pull it out without killing himself.
Indeed I believe the Thunder and Grizzlies are the only teams with huge cap room but neither has any interest in Boozer. They don't really count.
It seems people don't realize how difficult trading Boozer is going to be, in the context of matching Millsap. I keep reading fans saying the Jazz have up until the February trade deadline to move Boozer, since the luxury tax isn't applied until the end of the season. The problem is, trading Boozer for other players, even expirings, won't work -- has to be for cap room/trade exception. And I'm guessing the teams with cap room then will already be out of the race and have no motivation to take on his deal, even as an expiring. Pritchard really has the Jazz in a tough spot. Portland fans seem to think it's 75/25 that Utah matches... I'd say 50/50, at best.
If the Rockets can get Pryzbilla that would be great but not at the expense of losing Battier. The Rockets need a center but the things Battier does for the team is far more then what Pryzbilla can do for the team.
haha, with the news that pritchard declared the trade dead, he is officially delivering a FU to the jazz for not bending to his demands. it's a low-risk move in my opinion, he's attempting to force the jazz to move boozer for peanuts, which will weaken a conference rival significantly. if the jazz don't match, the blazers can discover a way to accomodate milsap, he's a talented player and the contract they offered him is fair. they could probably trade him after a year if the situation doesn't work out. my question is what have the thunder been doing this whole time? i think they are one team that could really use a low-post presence, and milsap is one those power forwards who actually has a post-up game (contrary to david lee who lives more on jump shots and pick-and-rolls). maybe they are waiting for next season's free agent market, but milsap isn't shabby and with this final piece, they can start winning.
Rumor has it they wanted Milsap but he signed with the Blazers. Until they get good, it might be hard for OKC to sign free-agents.
Not exactly. Signing bonuses are evenly dispersed against the life of the contract for cap purposes. Thus, Millsap may get 12m now, but the actual cap hit may only be 9m, in which case it would only cost the Jazz 21m this year. For more, see: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q62 True contract frontloading is hard to do and rarely happens. Like raises, salaries can only be decreased by 8-10.5% per year. Unless they can trade Boozer for cap space, I don't see how doing so would help them keep Millsap at all.
The fact is that February means you have 7 months to find cap relief and you have only 15 days to match an offer to arguably one of keys to the future of your franchise. Its like taking a loan from a loan shark because you have short term financial problem, you bite the bullet and do it hoping it works out in the end. The Jazz have to match and eat the tax if they must to keep Milsap, let Boozer go after next season if you can't trade him and dump salary.
This move is a karma coming back to bite Utah. It's exactly what Utah did to Cleveland when they front loaded Boozer's contract to lure him away from the Cavs.
how many minutes per game could the actually give milsap? i don't understand this move. milsap is a nice complementary player but he isn't gonna get you past any of the elite teams especially when you already have lamarcus. color me confused
<i>Ashes to ashes Dust to dust</i> Utah was impressive when they signed Boozer through some dubious methods, now they are desperate to get him to leave. Would Pritchard be interested in Boozer + NY Pick instead of Millsap?
Intresting My dream scenario: Utah matches... and then ends up giving away other assets to get rid of Boozer later on down the line when it gets desperate. Portland trades Pryz+rights to 2nd round picks for Battier to free up more cap room, and then sign Odom to a big offer sheet, this time screwing the Lakers.
I think Plan A was to force Utah to help facilitate the Hinrich trade, but Millsap isn't bad either as he makes Pryz expendable. But yeah, if they wanted Hedo, you'd think going for Odom would make more sense.
