Portland is falling apart. Do we want any of the pieces?

Definitely pass on Smith. He plays no D, and is a streaky shooter like Walt, but has a much larger contract. Also, I believe he's something like 35, which is another negative.

You'd have to be stupid not to want Rasheed Wallace on the Rockets. How can you pass up a 7 footer with 3 point range and crazy athleticism? He's has bad influences around him since he's been in the league. JR Rider isn't exactly an ideal role model, and Dunleavy is a horrible coach. Throw in the fact Dunleavy is not confrontational, and has no respect from his players, and I can see why Sheed has the attitude problem. I think Francis and Mobley would keep him in check, and that he would respect Rudy alot more than Dunleavy.

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[This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited April 29, 2001).]

 

9 points on 4 of 19 shooting isn't very clutch, especially when you're facing elimination.

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I have watched Sheed plenty. His is a terrififc player and a terrific talent. Just not a top 10 player or a top 5 talent. Check the lists I mentioned before, I don't see how he makes either list.

Just look at PF's. You can make a strong case that Duncan, Garnett, Webber & Malone are among the 10 most talented to ever play that position. Sheed is very good, but he doesn't belong in their company. As for him being the equal to Webber in terms of being a player or a talent, no way. Webber can do at the PF position what only 1 other PF I can readily think of could do in the last 20 years, break a defense down completely by himself because of his combination of ball handling, power, finishing moves, finese, court sense and athleticism. The other player that was like that was Barkley in his prime (who was even better than Webber is now). Garnett may end up better than either, though I think he needs to realize how offensively unstoppable he is and play like that for 48 minutes. Still, even though his talent is not reached, KG is already a great player. You switch Sheed and KG, and Minn loses 10 more games and Portland wins 15 more. I don't need to say much about Duncan, he is more polished than Webber or Garnett, though I trully believe he is a notch (very small notch) below in sheer talent. Malone has had the best career of any PF of all time, and though not at his peak, is still a dominant force.

It is no shame Sheed is not in the same class as these 4 guys, I guess the next best PF comes down to Sheed or McDyess. I would go with Sheed in terms of talent, McDyess (or Brand) for intangibles. But there is a big, big gap from these guys to the top 4.

I'll restate my point though, I would trade for Sheed and offer a fairly good package even. I think his heart is in the right place, it is just that his brain gets in the way. I think in the right system where he doesn't have to be the leader he will be just between a great/outstanding player. He will never contend for league MVP, as the other guys have done/will do, but a fine consistent all-star he could be.

Oh, and I wouldn't touch Steve Smith or Dale Davis with a 10 foot pole. They both are too old for the kind of contract they would get. I see Wells and Sheed as the only real commodities for a young upcoming team like the Rockets.


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Everyone thinks that people will be model citizens once the good ol' Rockets and Rudy T work their magic on them. The fact is, there are people in this league that are headcases, and I'm beginning to believe that Sheed is one. Everyone believed Rider could be turned around. He's still a knucklehead. Rod Strickland had loads of talent but was a career knucklehead.

How many people on the team and on the staff need to tell Rasheed to keep a cool head before he listens? I mean seriously, it's not even like he should have to be told.

Pass on Sheed. The only guy I'd want from that team is maybe Bonzi Wells, especially if Rudy's adamant about this 3 guard thing; he can be the post-up, slashing offensive threat that we thought Shandon could be. I can't think of anyone else I'd want off that lame team. That city's gone from having the JailBlazers to the FailBlazers...

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Wallace for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's everything Taylor is not. Rebounds? Play D? Score inside? Athletic? Intense? S*** if his available then trade everyone bar Cat, Chise, Norris and Dream.

This head case thing is BS! What do you expect from an environment where they have excessive depth, a non-coach, Quitten in the scene and management lacking his RESPECT???!!!

Rudy T. will soothe the BEAST in Wallace and channel it so he becomes a legit everyday All STAR and punk up Malone.

Besides he may not be as "talented" as others think but he sures beat evrybody we got in the low post bar Dream.

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I'll bet a million bucks Portland wouldn't take Moochie or Dream for Rasheed. I doubt they would take Cat str8 up for him.


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One other guy I would like to have is Sabonis. He isn't a star player but he can still be effedctive in limited minutes. Granted he is very injury prone but he is one of the few centers who can somewhat match up with Shaq. He's big (and unfortunately slow) but his outside J can stretch the D.

 

Jason Collier's outside shot could stretch the D.

Sabonis is as big if not bigger than Shaq, but Shaq still manhandles him. Sabonis couldn't keep up with this team of gazelles. Sabonis struggled to average 20 minutes or so a game this season (well, at least at the end of the season).

But damn, he's one of those what if's everybody talks about. I loved his game.

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Speaking of salvagable FailBlazer parts, what do you guys think of Greg Anthony?

Or has this already been discussed in this thread? I forgot to look and if I hit my back button, our network may take 4 minutes to load the page.

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i love rasheed, possibly a top 10 player in the NBA, but i would still rather have webber. true, rasheed is younger, but not by much(webb just turned 28, and rasheed is almost 27).
i love rasheeds turnaround J, but he has to be in the game in the fourth quarter to use it. not sure if rudy can completely change him...rasheed might be a better one on one defender, but webb is a better blocker, both can rebound and score consistently.. but gotta to go with webb because he doesnt have as many issues....
but if we dont get webb......


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I don't think Sheed is a cancer either. An extreme hot head, yes. One of the biggest hot heads ever, quite possible. But you never hear him scapegoating teammaters, rarely hear teammates complain about him, and always gives an effort. The comparison with Isiah Rider is not fair at all.

I will say it again, I don't like the comparison to Webber, Webber has an argument for being the best player in the league this year (with Shaq and Iverson having eqally good arguments). But Sheed is still a rare quality player (top 12 or top 15). The only way we would ever get either Sheed or Webber for below value (like Chise & Taylor in Webber's case; like Mobes, Taylor + 1st rndr in Sheed's case) is because their current teams are desperate. You never know though, those teams could get desperate and we get one for less value--that is all I would probe.

 

Wallace is a punk. Two years in a row now, the guy has CHOKED, plain and simple. Where was this guy in Game 7 last year vs. LA? One bucket would have helped. ONE bucket. Where was Wallace? The guy can't rebound, his career best is 7.8 a game. The guy is the anti-clutch. I'd give the ball to Mo in the closing seconds of a big playoff game anyday over this punk.

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Love him or hate him, Rasheed Wallace would be near impossible to get on the Rockets.

Now Bonzi Wells on the other hand....get ready to hand over the 6th man trophy during the 1st month of 2001-2002. It would only be a question of who starts - Cat or Bonzi.

Not a bad second unit:

1) Moochie
2) Bonzi (Cat)
3) Langhi/'01 Draft
4) KT
5) Cato/Collier/'01 Draft

Bonzi will only make a little over $2M next season!!

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Portland will not trade Bonzi. At least not for what the Rockets would be willing to offer.

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