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Kind of pointless poll, since as everyone suspected it, no one on this board really changed their minds on the topic. It's really the poll numbers which will be the final judge. And it seemingly points to Obama's win, based on the low expectations from people coming into the debate. That said, I think Obama wins by default if McCain doesn't make up ground in the polls after this debate. This was McCain's chance to clobber Obama, and he didn't do it.
You know, I am not feeble-minded. And it's not worthwhile to call millions of your fellow Americans feeble-minded. Whether you want to admit it or not, both candidates have a lot of smart people in their camp. But, you know, whatever makes you feel better and more able-minded on the internetz. As for this weird "Barack changes his opinion all the time" sort of line, I don't understand where that comes from. Seriously. I understand it's a talking point, and Sarah had her little "finger in the wind" line, but where does it come from? If you look at his stated positions, through the last two years, they are very consistent. These positions are at LEAST as consistent as McCain's, who has had to change his stance on a number of issues, from waterboarding to tax cuts to his statements on evangelicals, to garner the GOP's support. So, seriously, IROC_it, where are the big shifts? It just smells like a retread of the "flip flop" campaign used against Kerry.
I can agree with all of your points... save one. The attacks were begun tonight by the Obama machine, in this forum. I too wondered where Palin was. I cannot believe that Biden made so much sense, with no gaffe. I think the economy questions included tonight may have made this debate a moot point, so far as foreign affairs are concerned, many people tuned out after those moments (as one reporter indicated via some tracking poll)... and I doubt they'll touch on those issues in the next debates. That's my only regret about tonight's debate. It was far from on topic throughout.
Video of McCain saying "Horse*****" during the debate.. Anyone hear it? I can't completely tell. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/L1rZBmk0DYU&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/L1rZBmk0DYU&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Okay.. You're correct. Bad choice of words. I actually respect you, and many other Democrat leaning posters on here... I'm sorry for that. "Feeble minded" was the wrong phrase. I've replaced the phrase in question with this one... less absolute, more opinionated, hopefully just as point pushing though... "...your candidate has no opinion of his own, and can't do anything but cater to the narrow minded Bush-haters who refuse to see" Better? I didn't mean to paint anyone who votes for Obama as feeble minded, so much as unwilling to be open to other viewpoints... like mine... that seem to be the only ones noticing the trend. The broad brush is not always as absolute, I apologize.
Thread or post.. regardless, if he said it... so what? He has to be truthful, right? BTW- He really said, "of course... of course..."
I enjoyed the debate. I wouldn't feel as bad if McCain wins. Until UFOs kidnap him and Palin rules as our new overlord.
Well, it does appear that Obama won the debate at least according by the standard of uncommitted voters - which i think is the most important segment: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/politics/horserace/entry4482028.shtml so what's the impact? this poll says that 39% thought Obama won, compared to 24% to McCain (rest said it was a draw). That's a 15 point spread. Considering uncommitted make up 20% of the electorate, and that the forecasted audience was about 50 million, or about a third of the electorate.....we can probably say that the impact will be about 1 point. that's 15*0.2*0.33 = 1.0 Not a significant bounce by any strech of the imagination. But I think Obama will take it.
IIRC, isn't poll numbers regarding the debate itself kind of misleading? I believe even in 2000, Gore beat Bush in the debates yet lost his commanding lead going into the final stretch. I think the overall polls will be more telling.
Yeah, but didn't those help him? Because I remember he was behind when the debates started, and caught up. Then again, both Gore and Kerry were absolute stiffs on camera. So people tend to get the impression of "He is correct... but I just don't like him".
Lets say I am an undecided voter, What makes people think that John is much different from a 3rd Bush term?
If you understand that a McCain presidency wouldn't be different than a Bush one (which you are right to understand), how in god's name are you an undecided voter? In fact, how is anyone? Less than 20% of Americans support Bush. McCain has supported Bush more than 90& of the the time. I know we will wind up with a landslide in Obama's favor, but why is it even close now? Deep proof of how lame and stupid Americans can be.
Because as much as people hate the President, they hate Congress even more, of which both of our candidates are members. I predict a better-than-normal turnout for Barr and the Libertarians and Greens in general. I think the vote will go down to "likability" and "character" and as much as that is cringe-worthy, for the first time since '64 the Democrats have the upper hand in that department.
