It's weird that Mobley was singled out as a comp even though Barnes ended up ROTY. Everyone seems ok that Scottie is not a dead eye shooter. As far as Mobley, there's stuff in his bag, some don't necessary bring them out as often. It's like a programmer can code in Perl and C#, but if work requires Javascript and Python, then you do what the team wants. Mobley for example has a hook shot (both hands) and a middy. There's a Mobley thread in the dish, that shows some of it. But if the layup is better, you go with the sure thing. Am a fan of Tatum/Brown, but those guys notoriously go for the pretty shot / Kobe fade instead of the higher %. Green said in one of his interviews, he has some other moves/shot in his bag, he just hasn't bought it out yet. The below means very little since it's the All-Star weekend. But remember when people were shocked that Evan could actually shoot under the bright lights. I bring it up because you have Evan with other Rookies in the same environment doing the same challenges. There's no coach or different team system to blame it on. Everyone is taking the same test. Them Cav boys took care of Rooks team (Cade/Giddy/Barnes) & Greek brothers. Mobley and Giddy pairing, they had to make a logo shot. You know Giddy isn't hitting his. Mobley is going to be great. I'm also VERY happy we have Jabari. Both guys will be just fine.
All of that is still jump shooting. Banchero and Holmgren also played with guys who were mostly in the paint and Kessler played out far more than the guys who played those guys. Players improve on FT% and 3 point percentage all the time just because you doubt it does not make it so and that still does not address everything else he does offensively.
Spot on (I do like Cade to be fair). Mobley is probably Marcus Camby at best. Green can do a lot. His upside is crazy. How quickly he adjusted to the game shows a impressive basketball aptitude. Sky is the limit. I see a lot of Vince Carter in him
Name one player who shot around .65 FT% and .25 from 3 who ended up shooting either at a reasonable clip. It just doesn’t happen.
Not a big research guy, but Jason Kidd comes to mind. Don’t remember if he was a good ft shooter, but sucked at 3pt shooting most of his career. Your point is well-taken though. I think it’s pretty rare.
what dribble package. everything you say is an exaggeration. especially given that Mobley had a year in the NBA already. He dribbled about as much as Smith in college, which isn't all that much.
I don’t even really get the premise of comparing these two. Is the idea that if we had Mobley we would have won more and not gotten the third pick? That’s hard to know. Seems like the better question is right now would you rather have Mobley/Sengun/Ivey as your core or Jalen/Sengun/Jabari.
I don't think we were drafting Ivey no matter if Mobley on the team or not. I think it was a given that Stone was taking whoever left of the big 3 regardless.
off the top of my head Jason Kidd. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kiddja01.html His shot is not broken so it stands to reason they would improve and I have no idea why you are focusing in this in particular when he has so much else offensively or do you think he is only a dunker? This is his shot chart and he shot above league average out to the free-throw line and in certain spots from 3. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/evan-mobley-shot-chart-this-season
This is just BS he dribbled far more than Smith in college one of his strengths was playmaking and ball handling. It's obvious you don't know what you are talking about there was a reason why people kept calling him a big wing.
Am I reading this chart wrong. He was average or below average from virtually everywhere but inside the 3 pt line at one station on the court. Seems like you made my point for me.
LOL. You think that shot graph proves your point? It shows he’s extremely limited. Yes, Mobley is primarily an at-rim/in-the-paint scorer at the moment. Maybe that’ll change, but I doubt it. Like I said, guys who shoot significantly under .7 from the line very rarely develop a shot.
I have not read a single post in this thread but I know I am repeating saying . . .. "Their Ceiling is thru the Roof." Rocket Rive
Mobley is a nice player and he is a elite shot blocker and moves very well for a big man when guarding opponents. Smith is is elite defensive player when guarding 1-5. There is not many players who can guard 1-5 except Simmons for Brooklyn. Draymont Green and Marcus Smart is close but Green is to slow for guards and Smart does not have enough length for big men. Maybe Bam Adebayo can guard 1-5. Anyway,
Just click on the dot and it will say what the averages were. Everything in the lane was above average and he shot above average at multiple places above the arc. How can your point be made when you said all he did was dunk? He rarely shot mid-range but not all of the shots were not at the basket either. Are you know trying to change your point? Why are you ignoring that I did find somebody who did what you said could not be done?
You got the wrong guy, I’m not the one that said he could only dunk. My point that he will probably never be a good outside shooter or good ft shooter. This chart pretty much says he is mediocre on the offensive side of the ball and I personally don’t think he will get much better. But you never know, maybe, he’s Durant the second. In reality, I don’t really care about Mobley.
Because of this I think Smith has a higher potential. All-time great players are offensive players first. It's kind of hard to imagine Mobley as even the 2nd go-to guy on a team. Jabari could become the first option on a team. I mean Mobley's offense could get there if he shoots but...many guys never learn to shoot, despite putting in a tremendous amount of work. Westbrook is a great example of this and he's a guard. That Jabari is going to be (or supposed to be) a knockdown sniper from range is a HUGE advantage, that's why he should have went #1.
Yeah, it did prove my point, my point was that he is far more than a dunker. Just because you keep saying that does not make it true. PJ Tucker did it Bruce Bowen did it. Bobby Portis I can probably find a lot more.
