I thought I would also bring some more light to the picture. I think its the Clips we dealing with. 1. The source is a janitor at the staples center, my friends dad. I used a variety of draft sites to make sure this was possible. 2. Well we had a Clip deal awhile back... 3. Clips have the Atlanta pick if it falls between 9-14. They can still pick a PG there even if they trade their own pick. 4. Clips need depth in the worst way. 5. Clips have been shopping their pick around along with Mo and Kandi...looks like they'll have worst record, at worst its top 4. Or maybe second worst which would still mean top 5. 6. This deal would provide PF depth if Clips lose Mo. 7. We get TWO LOTTO PICKS WITHOUT TRADING DREAM and keeping Mobley and Rogers. 8. We get a star to compliment Francis which makes sense for us. Now it gets interesting... [This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited February 22, 2000).]
here we go again!!!!!! THESE players are to keep: francis,cato,cat,shandon,kenny. everone else can go.I've been saying this before,and I say it now.I have seen kenny play,and tell you all he is special.He could have been a top five pick.Othella wasn't even as good in his third year,not even close(don't get me wrong,I do like him). First time I talked about kenny,some people made fun of it,but you will see.
Do this deal.. Many people are saying that Chris Porter will be taken in the top 3 picks. I personally think he will dominate at the SF in the pros. His talent is unreal. Morris is also someone who's talent is unreal. He will be a star in the pros as well. Dermarr Johnson is the next Odom with a better jump shot, a better 3 pt shot, a little less of an inside game (but let's face it, he's only 19 and he can learn ... he's 6'9" and you can't teach that). Martin is unreal. The guy will dominate. God forbid a guy like Boozer comes out. These are the top 3 tier type of players. All of these guys are worthy of building a franchise around. The 2nd tier of guys, ie. 4-8 are guys like: Mihm, Q., Swift, Fizer, MO Pete. The fact that we can keep our lottery pick and possibly land one of the guys in the 2nd tier with it is awsome. These guys are all going to be great players in the pros. But more importantly, we get a chance to land a player worthy of building a franchise around with a top 3 pick. If you ask me, this draft is really deep if the underclassmen come out (which they will). Do this deal.... By the way, I love Carlos Rodgers and would not give him up. Once he gets completely healthy people will again realize how key of a player he is to this franchise.
I hat eto say it, but I think that Fizer looks like a bad as$ prospect. I would rate him ahead of KT, which makes this deal easy in my mind. If we drafted Fizer with the lower of the two lottery picks and drafted Johnson or Peterson I would think we'd be loaded!
As much as I would love to have a top 3 pick, I would much rather have a deep team, than a great starting 5 and a week bench. We will be able to get a relatively good draft pick this year, and we may be able to trade that pick with one of our reserves to move into the top 5 to get another player, but I don't want to deplete our bench.
Too much for too little. There are too many teams that have spent their last __ years drafting at the top. Guess what, we'd be making this deal with one of these teams because they'd be back again. They are learning that this is a hard way to make a good team. Too many unknowns in drafting. When it comes to building a team, drafting is like icing on the cake. It wouldn't be much of a cake without the icing. But don't try to make a meal of icing or you'll be sick. Now if you could unload Walt instead of Kenny ... Then it'd be like Drew and a upper lotto pick for a low pick AND unload some of our overpaid players. Too good to be true, but I'd do that. [This message has been edited by ArtVandolet (edited February 23, 2000).]
LOL! That is so true Art. Although a lot of it depends on the organization, you can't deny the 'recidivism' among the perennial lottery teams. Even the Bulls had like 9 lotto picks before they got good. BTW, what made you decide to change your name from Art Core to Art Vandolet?
The Rockets are not the Clippers. We would not have taken Olawikandi with last year's first pick. We draft extreemly smart. Just look at our past draft picks: Dickerson, Mobley, Francis, Drew, Thomas, Harrington, Cassell, Horry, Rhodes (OK maybe not), but come on. Keep in mind these we all high high draft picks, none in the top ten. Also, we'll still have great depth even if we get rid of Drew and KT. Rodgers, Cato, Williams, and Mobley are pretty dope players coming off the bench. Keep in mind we will sign someone worth 4.5 million and draft two exceptional players (also lets not forget Vancouver's 2nd round pick). We might even be able to pick up a good point guard in the 2nd round this year. The point is, our depth will not be depleated and with as well as we have drafted in previous drafts, we will end up with 2 superstars regardless. I'd trade Drew and KT for 2 superstars.
Keep Kenny Thomas, sub in Walt Williams in his place, maybe TMass or even Los. Drew is expendable at this point. For the love of GOD, keep KT!
Nope I would not do this trade. We need KT. Toss in Walt Williams instead, I agree! ------------------ Bring It!!
RF34, This is fun but I have to question your source's info on this one. First of all you say that Tmass would be part of the deal, and later in the thread you say: Note: This deal will not take place until we know the draft order and the underclassmen declares. I agree - there is no way the rockets would make this deal unless the above is known, hence the trade could not be made until after the lottery picks are determined AND players have declared for the draft. How then, would Tmass, who is a Free agent after this season, be part of a trade package?
Davo, a little thing called sign and trade. I didn't know he was even a free agent anyway. I would not do this trade unless we could get Morris or Martin. I absolutely love Kenny Thomas.
Davo: That's the deal now...you understand? That's why TMass in it. However if we wait till draft day which is much more safer would mean we would change the deal around a little.
Correct me if im wrong but did you say the source was the janitor at the staples center ? Cause if you did that's pretty funny.
NO WAY !!!! We are already rebuilding..and taking away 2 of the players you have been working in, for an unknown commodity. NOPE !!! Keep KT at all costs...I love having a 4 that can shoot outside, and pass like a banshee. DaDakota
Well no doubt, you have to wait. If it's either "make the deal now" or "never", then I don't make the deal. Too risky. You have to wait until the draft positioning is determined, so that means no TMass. Those of you suggesting we substitute Williams for Thomas: Let's be reasonable here, guys. I can understand you not wanting to part with Thomas, but let's not bring up things like "replace him with Williams". You really think the other team would go for that?
Well I'll add a couple cents worth too, I guess. IMHO this deal hinges on a couple of things that have been mentioned previous: 1. Who will be available. I would take Kenyon Martin in a New York minute. But a lot of the guys ya'll are spurtin' and spoutin' about, have exceptional college level skills that may or may not translate to Pro level or Pro play.A bird in the hand being worth more than a bird in the bush sort of thing. I like KT. I know his skills. I know how effective he can be. Othella never had this level of play during his first year or second year (and I know, I know Othella maybe never have had as many minutes as KT did, but O got good minutes,folks).I loved Othella, but Kenny Thomas has not even begun to show his full range. 2. What it will cost us. Duh. Really,popeye. But think for a minute. We lose a backup PG in Drew that was courted (and offered tons of talent)by a lot of teams including the Clippers. And as mentioned above, an excellent emerging talent in KT. And a first round pick. Actually I can live with it all if the pick guarantees us Martin, or a couple others I THINK will make the grade.But that isn't going to happen. But my point here is what it costs us in leftovers. We end up with a roster that still has Walt and his $4.5Million. We didn't unload any heavy duty contracts in this deal. (TMass would have been gone anyway.) We still have a lot of questions around Carlos's physical ability to perform in long stretches. We have gaping holes at the swing 3/4 postion (Thomas is gone) and a back-up PG(Drew)that knows the game now. For what? A rookie first rounder. Would ya make the trade for Respert(95), Dampier(96) or Billups(97) Maybe Fortson? cause it would take a lot less to get him right now. Drafts are crap shoots. Calculated. But still crap shoots. 3. Availability of Pros. When the clang-clang goes of this summer, players like Payton, Mason, Rice, Cassell, "Got Game", Derek Anderson, Coleman, Rider, Brandon, Googs, Bo Outlaw, Camby, (as well as IMHO) O'Kandi, Othella Harrington, Miller, Ewing, B.Grant, Fiinley will all be put on the block. You want to be involved in any of that? Anyone still thinking along the lines of Duncan or Grant? We have to be in a position salary wise and player/draft pick/etc.. to bargain for some of these guys. In short, it is too early to pull a deal like this. Not unless we get a lot more advantage out of it than proposed. Cheers.
popeye, Who are the other college players, besides Francis3's favorite, that you "think" would make this a feasible trade? Payton available? Please explain. Mango
