Right, because Isiah's biggest mistake was bringing in all those defensive players on short-term contracts, when he should have been going after offensive players on long-term contracts, instead.
v.3, Unless tracy gets traded, chase and taylor won't see the floor. Pops will play 18 mins a night maybe and anderson won't hardly see the floor till the middle maybe. I'm not dissing the players, i'm just saying battier and mcgrady stunts buddingers growth and if landry isn't playing 30+ minutes, how is he growing?
thanks for your prognosis, but I'll wait until the season starts to see how it plays out. Not that I don't believe you, but...I'll wait until the season starts. And if the older guys are getting the minutes, to me it means we are doing well record wise. Probably not winning a title still, but we didn't need a 35 year old center to figure that out.
So you're saying we may trade for Camby(assuming we can even get him) for a one year rental. In a year in which Yao is out and T-Mac just came back from major surgery. If such a trade occured, it would've definitely involved a contract extension. The Isiah comparison is basically about leebigez fascination with getting big name. If you read leebigez posts, he mentioned Marion/RJ/VC as other players the Rockets apparently should've gotten if Morey was up to snuff.
Leebigeez basically urges the antithesis of moneyball - players with big salaries are worth it, due to the fact that they have big salaries. That's why he's handing out 10 mm hypothetical contracts to the Jason Terry's of the universe.
it has nothing to with moneyball and everything about putting the best team on the floor or rebuilding, you can't get stuck in the middle. I brought up camby because if the team wants to make the playoffss this year and attain more cap flexibility, it would make sense to offer battier,barry,and hayes for him. Why? Ariza and shane aare redundant and the rockets don't have a center. Meh, this isn't football were guys agree on extension prior to getting traded. If camby doesn't resign, the rockets get a extra 10m expiring contract. His expiring along with tracy and cooks would make the rox players in the summer if they wanted totherwise, even by renouncing tracy's right, the rox are going to have about 53m tied up with contracts and contract holds. The cap will be about 57m which will leave the rockets about 4m plus the mle.
how are shane and ariza redundant? shane is a great man and team defender due to his intelligence and he spots up for 3s on offense. ariza is a great defender who create defensive mismatches due to his length and athleticism and can bring havoc to the passing lanes. ariza is a slasher and 3pt shooter on offense. how are they redundant? if you think they are redundant then please tell me how nearly half of ariza's shots came within a few feet of the basket while nearly 67% of battier's shots were 3 pointers last season... and why would the clip take that deal? they would be taking on a crap load more salary for 2010 with battiers contract. also that deal doesn't even work. it would be battier + hayes or barry.
Getting Camby essentially tells me you're stuck in the middle. We're not beating the Lakers with Camby. Hell getting out of the first round will still be a big challenge. If we let Tracy and Camby walk, that doesn't assure us that some big star will come here. Most will likely stay with their teams because they will make the most money staying. And again, why would the Clippers want Battier? Also, you only need Hayes or Barry's contract to complete it, not both. So there goes your dream of getting rid of 3 anti-leebigez players.
v.3, personally, I don't like the idea of the rockets basically holding down to be players this summer, but that's les idea. So since you seem like a person in the middle, what do you think the rox goals are this upcoming season? Win a title,make the playoffs, or just be competitive?
leeb, FYI, all your grand schemes tells me you're in the middle. You just don't know it, cause everything comes up roses in your mind if things are done your way. I find that humorous in a way. My opinion is that we want to be competitive and and try to develop a more uptempo game without Yao. Yeah the realization that we most likely won't win a title sucks, but I'm not ready to make hasty big name trades and acquisitions and naively think we're instant title contenders after that. Again, the Rockets don't need a 35 year old center to figure out they're not likely to win a title this year.
v.3, you keep bringing up camby just u bring up others without understanding the concept or end game. If we both can agree the end end game is the title,right. Ok without a healthy yao and tracy, that's not going to happen this yr,correct? So now we're into watching a quicker,more uptempo offense, cool. How quick and uptempo do you think the team will be with mcgrady and battier playing 30+ minutes a night? One guy wants the ball and make the decisions and the other doesn't run the court or make purposeful cuts,but the both help you the most in the half court set. So now after a yr of trying to be more uptempo, the slowest man in the league returns,now what?
After Yao comes back we have options of running uptempo and halfcourt sets. Then Adelman will have the problem of figuring that all out, not you. See, my whole point in all this is that all your ideas doesn't really result in the "end game" that you think it does. We're not winning a title with Camby. Nor DeAndre Jordan, nor Ricky Davis, nor Tim Thomas, nor Barnes, nor well we already have Brian Cook...
I think it'd be more likely to wait until September 28, when Tyson Chandler can be traded FROM Charlotte and Landry can be traded TO Charlotte (the offer sheet he signed will have passed the anniversary mark). Actually, more so than getting Chandler, who's an athletic big who can run the floor, I think Diaw would be the 4/5 that could provide the sort of 4 or 5 assists per game type of passing (if not the superstar game) that Adelman had with Webber.
Don't let the current inactivity fool you, though. Morey has hinted his wish to trade for one of those All Stars THIS year. (Although I wouldn't mind a Sacramento Kings type team like Adelman had, fewer superstars, better basketball). If your statement were true (and, granted, it could be), I would expect them to trade Scola and Battier because we just won't have the money or the amperage to lure some of these big-name guys, not without renouncing Luis, who's owed a bigger check next year; and why lose him for nothing?
I do agree somewhat with Lee. A 1 year rental for a 35 year old player is much better than a backup center that eats into this year and next year salaries. As of now, rox already have an excess of players. Brooks, Lowry, Tmac, Barry, Taylor, Ariza, Battier, Buddinger, White, Pops, Scola, Landry, Hayes, Yao, Dorsey and Anderson. Thats a total of 16 players. Hence instead of a trade that have to involve players such as Battier (due to his contract size) that could have give more minutes to Ariza and the young guns to play, Rox now have the "luxury" of waving 1 player, while do not have any mobility to offer min contracts during the preseason training camp. Which deprive rox of another possibility of finding a contributing player ala Von Wafer. Back to the discussion about DM, he have as many hits as well as misses. He did well with Brooks and Landry. Dorsey is eternally injured, Greene which nets us Artest can't even get minutes at the Kings. And then this year rookies. On the trading front, he steal scola. And nothing much else. Some may say Ron Artest, but it cost rox future picks along with a highly rated pick that have yet to prove himself as well as the biggest expiring contract that rox have for a 1 year rental. All the FA signing, did not turn out well other than Wafer and Deke (But thats a no brainer to resign Deke for as long as possible). SF3( although I still love that signing but it turns bad on the floor ), Barry, Harris, Green all did not work out for the rox.
Well, Morey wishes for a lot of stuff. Most of them don't come true though, contrary to what many armchair GMs like to think. Of course he wants an all-star this year. But that's so he doesn't have to worry about whether someone like Bosh or Joe Johnson will take our money next year. It doesn't mean he has his eyes set on this season in particular. If Morey really wanted to compete this season, he would've resigned Artest.
what do you mean less superstars...bibby stoyjakovic turkglu webber divac....five all stars...we need all stars to win the championship...we have all the role players we need. adelman had the most talented team in the west for three to four years and they just went up against a great opponent in la and lost difficult series (plus they got screwed one year by the officials)
Denniscd, Adelman can coach his ass off and develop talent. If you give him talent, he will nurture it and make it better. When you listed those kings guys, none were all stars prior to his arrival. Webber had talent, but was on his 3rd team. Peja was coming off injuries and had corliss in front of him. Vlade was a underacheive,christie was on his 4th team, and bibby was a good young player putting up good numbers on a poor grizzly team. Give adelman talent, guys with high ceilings, and he will get the most out of those guys. Give him chuck hayes,shane battier, and rafer alston, and he can squeeze as much juice out of those overipe fruit as he can. You always see players get better under adelman through his coaching career. Look at kersey,robinson,clyde,porter,and duckworth in Portland. All guys with raw ability who turned into all stars. I'm willing bet if Adelman had real input other than Brooks,dorsey and guys like that wouldn't be on this roster or ever drafted.
I like most of what he has done. The only real problem I have with him is dropping big money to bring in Ariza when the team currently has no direction (due to the injuries) and does not need another SF with limited offensive skills. I understand that things can change. Maybe Battier will be part of a package that brings in a real SG and suddenly the Ariza deal looks like a good one but for now the team is still too small and too offensively challenged.
