At worst "takeover" is an exaggeration. Certainly the government is going to be more involved than it had previously. What you and the douche bags at Politifact/Poynter seem to be arguing is that anything short of a single payer system is a not a takeover. That seems silly. Certainly is beyond stupid to call Obamacare opponents liars. And it malfeasance of the highest order for Politifact to cherry pick as "experts" supporters of Obamacare while ignoring contrary opinions. I think his point regarding Medicare is that private insurers would use Medicare rates to establish their own reimbursement rates. He's not very clear on that.
Yeah!!!!! The Democrats have NEVER, EVER, EVER, played that card. God you're a freakin' genius!!!!!! You need to call yo boy Axelrod ASAP.
This post is just way off. What Politifact is accurately arguing is that the health care reform bill isn't a govt. takeover. That is fact and to claim otherwise is wrong, and that's what this poll shows is that others have the wrong idea about it. The second thing is that because a guy donated to Obama doesn't mean he's a supporter of the health care reform bill that passed. He is a recognized expert and was accurately cited as one. I understand you don't like those things, but that doesn't make them false.
Except even the author of the article you post says that this isn't a takeover. [rquoter]If you want to point out that the GOP stretched this one, then by all means go ahead. The PPACA wasn’t strictly a government takeover of the entire health care system. No, it was just a dramatic increase in government regulation, oversight, and control of many parts of the system. Sure, as the earnest lie-rankers at Politifact point out, nothing was explicitly nationalized in the wake of the PPACA’s passage. The law, they write, does not call for “a European approach where the government owns the hospitals and the doctors are public employees.” To hammer the point home, PowerPoint style, they even provide several helpful bullet points that explicitly spell out the following facts: The law does not nationalize hospitals, or make doctors government employees, or even call for the creation of a government-run health insurance plan (a “public option”). All of this is as true as the sky is blue![/rquoter] As the author notes there are important distinctions and "takeover" means that the government runs and owns health care. The government is not. Yes, the government is increasing regulation but that isn't a takeover. Whether PolitiFact should or shouldn't have isn't really that relevant as that doesn't change the fact that this isn't a government takeover as even your own source admits. He doesn't make that clear and even if he did that is tangential to the primary argument of whether there is a government takeover or not.
They don't stick to it. They are all over the place. Republicans stick to their message very well. Dems say they represent the middle class, but they don't speak to the middle class. They don't build their agenda around the middle class, instead they build themselves around the lower class. They attack Republicans for being indifferent to the poor - but not for being indifferent for the middle class. Republicans reverse it upon Dem, attack them for being out of touch with the middle class when it's Republicans who are giving it the middle class up the cornhole. In reality - the Dems do represent the middle class, which is a clear sign Republicans have won the media war.
I'm not a Democrat, my party (Libertarians) have gotten obliterated in every election since the party began. LIL' TEXX HAZ NO CRED
It's funny that he denies watching FOX and yet has the standard talking points down pat. Even the catch phrases.
After seeing your posting history, I do not believe you -- you clearly side with the liberals. Or, you might not know what a libertarian is. Could be either.
LOL at determining my party from posting history. That is both rich and so, so wrong. While I admit to voting for some Democrats in the past, I would vote for Ron Paul for President over anyone else on the political scene. Does that clear it up in your tiny little mind?
To be fair, you can get the same catch phrases down by reading RedState or simply listening to the Rush or Beck radio shows. I don't consider him a liar for saying he doesn't have cable TV, I consider him a liar because of the lies he repeats ad nauseum.
