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Politics vs. Economics: The Summer Gas Tax Break and the 3 Candidates

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bucket, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Barack talking about "going after the oil companies and look at their price gouging". What a clueless buffoon this man is. It's shocking and astounding that someone could be so ignorant on how global markets work. Hello, Barack, the price is high all around the world. Is EVERY OIL COMPANY in EVERY COUNTRY gouging its consumers? Talk about pandering right there -- it's a brain-dead applause line that is straight out of the scare tactics playbook...and it's just reflective of his overall ignorance. Why make the oil companies the enemy? What does that solve? We NEED the oil companies now more than ever, without their efforts, things are much worse in fact.

    Are GOLD COMPANIES responsible for price gouging as well? They must be according to Barack's brain dead logic. Are IRON ORE COMPANIES gouging? COPPER COMPANIES gouging? PLATINUM COMPANIES gouging? Basically, all companies linked to extractive minerals are gouging right now, according to Mr. Hussein Obama. What a moron he is. It's sickening.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    because we need gold right?
     
  3. bucket

    bucket Member

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    There's nothing wrong with investigating.

    Anyway, you're still dodging my question. So, for a third time:

    How does it feel to know that the GOP nominee is willing to support a clearly misguided economic policy for political gain?
     
  4. glynch

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    TJ probably supports the gas holiday. He is a GOP tool.

    Though it makes no sense in conventional economic terms, the good thing about it from the anti-government folks is that it also drives up the government revenue shortfall.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    If Americans are hoarding rice from Costco, God help us all the couple of weeks before Labor Day when the Gas Tax expires...
     
  6. u851662

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    Bloomberg seems to think the gas tax break is a dumb idea too....

    http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008May01/0,4670,BloombergGasTax,00.html

    NEW YORK — Mayor Michael Bloomberg called a summer-long suspension of the gas tax favored by Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republican John McCain a dumb idea.

    The New York mayor, who flirted with the idea of an independent presidential bid, praised Democrat Barack Obama for opposing the plan to suspend the 18.4 cent federal gas tax and 24.2 cent diesel tax during the peak driving months of the summer.

    All three candidates covet Bloomberg's endorsement. The mayor has spoken highly of Obama and McCain in introducing the two at recent events in New York.

    Speaking to reporters at City Hall, Bloomberg said of the gas tax holiday, "It's about the dumbest thing I've heard in an awful long time, from an economic point of view. We're trying to discourage people from driving and we're trying to end our energy dependence ... and we're trying to have more money to build infrastructure."

    He cited those three reasons for opposing the gas tax holiday favored by McCain and Clinton. Obama has said the savings would not be significant for the average individual, and Bloomberg agreed.

    "The 30 bucks is not going to change anybody's lifestyle," he said. "The billions of dollars that we would otherwise have in tax revenues can make a big difference as to what kind of a world we leave our children."

    The billionaire mayor said in February that he had decided not to run for president but has dangled the possibility of his endorsement. The Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-independent has ties to all three candidates.
     
  7. bucket

    bucket Member

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    I have a brilliant idea. Sure, I don't get them often, but dig this... pass one of those Federal Blackmail laws that cut Federal highway funds to the states if they have a higher speed limit than 55 and put in a loophole. If your car is a hybrid, or is rated at the top of its class in MPG on the highway, you can go 70! 75! Heck, 80MPH! (I live in Texas, after all)

    Don't you think that would do more to spur people into buying fuel efficient cars, SUVs, Vans, and so on? How do you enforce it? Have an electronic tag for the vehicle like they use on tollways. A DPS trooper or cop can scan a passing motorist for that, while using their radar.

    Result? Tromping on states rights. Initial chaos. Sales of hybrids and the like go through the roof and gas consumption goes down. The big commercial trucks get a pass. They are supposed to go slower, anyway. They don't, but those laws can be enforced, if anyone wants it done.

    (I can die now, knowing I've saved American civilization as we know it)



    Impeach Bush.
     
  9. bucket

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    Wow.

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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...m-listening-to-economists-on-gas-tax-holiday/

    May 4, 2008
    Clinton: I'm not listening to economists on gas tax holiday
    Posted: 12:00 PM ET

    INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (CNN) — In the face of criticism from a slate of economists who say her gas tax holiday plan would be ineffective or even harmful, Hillary Clinton said she wasn’t taking stock of their opinions and emphasized that this was a short-term fix that would primarily benefit long-distance drivers.

    “I’m not going to put my lot in with economists,” Clinton told George Stephanopolous on ABC’s ‘This Week’ after he asked her to name a single economist supporting her plan. “If we actually did it right, if we had a president who used all the tools of the presidency, we would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively.”

    Clinton said she didn’t understand the resistance her plan is getting since its intention is to provide relief.

    “On so many of these issues where costs have gone up, where people are really feeling squeezed, there just doesn’t seem to be an understanding about what people go through,” Clinton told Stephanopolous.

    The debate over Clinton and McCain’s different pieces of legislation to remove the gas tax this summer reached a fever pitch this week with Barack Obama leading the charge to reject it, saying Saturday, “This is what passes for leadership in Washington - phony ideas, calculated to win elections instead of actually solving problems.”

    “It’s a misnomer to say this is all that I’m doing,” Clinton defended herself, “I have a comprehensive long-term energy plan that would go right at dependence on foreign oil.”

    Clinton has been arguing that it’s not only about the money saved but the message it sends. “I really believe we’ve got to start right now, demonstrating a willingness to take on these oil companies,” she argued to Stephanopolous.

    - CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt

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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/04/obama-campaign-out-with-new-gas-tax-ad/

    Obama camp out with new gas tax ad, Clinton camp fires back

    (CNN) — Barack Obama's campaign released a new television ad in North Carolina and Indiana Sunday that calls rival Hillary Clinton's proposal for a suspension of the gas tax a "bogus gimmick."

    The ad is a response to a recent Clinton commercial that criticizes Obama for not supporting the proposal.

    "More “low road” attacks from Hillary Clinton," the ad's announcer states. "Now she’s pushing a “bogus” gas tax gimmick…Experts say it’ll just “boost oil industry profits.”

    The Clinton campaign quickly fired back in a conference call with reporters, saying Obama is "siding with the oil companies" and his stance on the issue is a key reason why he has difficulties winning over working class voters.

    "That’s a critical distinction in this race between, in Senator Clinton, someone who understands the pain that middle class and working class families are feeling…and Senator Obama, somebody who just doesn’t seem to understand that middle class families are hurting, working class families are hurting and that they need relief," Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson said.

    The campaign is also taking issue with one of the ad's quotes from the New York Times saying Obama's [sic] proposal would "boost oil industry profits." Clinton spokesman Phil Singer says that quote pertained to John McCain's proposal for the suspension of the gas tax, not Hillary Clinton's.

    Obama supporter and Missouri Senator Clair McCaskill also held a conference call on the gas tax plan Sunday afternoon, during which she characterized Clinton's plan as a "political trick."

    Sunday's back-and-forth is the latest on the issue that has come to dominate the Democratic presidential race over the last week as gas prices continue to set record highs.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    This gas tax issue has become ridiculous... in more relevant news, I pulled up another two Obama yard signs last night from my neighborhood and put them where they belong -- in the trash. I'm still a little confused as to how an Obama supporter could afford to live in my neighborhood, but eh, whatever.
     
  11. mtbrays

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    Good; a little vandalism, some economic/intellect baiting. You, my friend, are what make American politics so darned hilarious.
     
  12. Refman

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    This just in...Trader_Jorge supports theft.
     
  13. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    HO HO HO

    It could have been worse, I could have taken Round-Up to their flower beds and yard, instead I just took the signs.

    MERCIFUL CONQUISTADOR
     
  14. Rockets1616

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    You really have way too much spare time on your hands.

    Trader_Jorge's daily schedule:

    Get up
    Sign on to clutchfans
    Make 500 threads in the D&D denouncing Obama and how all Obama supporters are idiots.
    Go around town and steal Obama yard signs from people and think he's a badass.
    Go back on clutchfans and tell everyone, along with 5000 more anti-Obama posts.
     
  15. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Anyone watching Obama at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner tonight? He's spent the first 20 minutes complaining about how bad people have it in America... Hope anyone? Sounds like negativity to me... Elitist, whiny, crying negativity... Just more tired over-hyped language from the guy with the low level management trainee resume... ...now he's misrepresenting McCain's stances on issues and turning his negativity on a true Patriot with the experience required to enact change. What a fraud this guy is. A total fraud built on celebrity endorsements and the politically naive... A marketing campaign based on false hope and promises only a political rookie would accept as truth.
     
  16. Refman

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    Apparently Trader_Jorge also supports trespassing, valdalism, and destruction of property.

    So much for being a law and order conservative. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Refman

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    ^^^
    That should have been vandalism. Sheesh.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Valdalism? What's that? Makes no sense.
     
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    This is the most salient point yet in the "Is Trader Jorge for real debate'

    Even the most dyed in the wool conservative Republican realizes there are a LOT of wealthy liberal democrats.

    He is just baiting.
     
  20. snappyd

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    To even bother quoting that... Haha! Get a life son.



    How is dropping a tax on consumers taking on the oil companies? Maybe I missed something, but I did not see anything that suggested the oil companies would be paying that tax instead.

    If anything the consumers would probably just end up driving that little bit more while they have a lower gas cost, therefore handing the oil companies more money than they would've received otherwise.

    Someone should tell them it would be cheaper to give $30 to each person who votes for them rather than everyone if they happen to get elected.
     

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