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[Politico] The left is already looking to 2024. Some want to see a Biden primary challenge.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. Space Ghost

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    The guy hasnt even completed a full year yet and his boys are already talking about replacing him. Westbrook and Wall got more respect than this.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    I agree, but I'd never underestimate the public's ability to fall for a manufactured narrative.
     
  3. TheresTheDagger

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    Pete would surpress African American vote in a way no Democrat has ever done before.

    My personal opinion is that Michelle Obama is the one and only Dem with a better than 50% chance in 2024.
     
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  4. Deckard

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    She would definitely be my preference. Why? Because she would win. Michelle would also be benefitting from having her husband at her side. What would be the biggest problem with Ms. Obama? She has made it clear that she's not interested.
     
  5. AleksandarN

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    On the plus side if she won Barack would turn the white house into a man cave lol Flat screen TVs everywhere a poker table a basketball net, Would be about time a man decorated the white house.
     
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    The ideal candidate is Stacey Abrams, but looks like she has her sights on the governorship.
     
  7. Reeko

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    2024 doesn’t look good…midterms already gonna be a blowout

    Old Biden, unpopular Kamala, or Pete? If that’s the roster, then yikes
     
  8. Andre0087

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    Fetterman would get my vote if he ran but he’s looking at that Senate seat so I hope better options emerge.
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    WaPo with its current Democratic power rankings

    The top 10 Democratic presidential candidates for 2024, ranked

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...mocratic-presidential-candidates-2024-ranked/

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    Below are our latest rankings.

    Others worth mentioning: Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, Stacey Abrams, Mitch Landrieu, Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.)

    10. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: The more obvious path for the 32-year-old congresswoman would be to bide her time for the right opportunity to run for Senate. She passed on a primary against Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) this year, but she would have a good shot against Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) in 2024. Or she could go for an even higher office, for which she polled at 6 percent in that YouGov poll. She doesn’t seem to be taking the kind of steps that others on this list are, but she would have a built-in base, and the progressive lane will be significantly more open this time, since Sanders has said he’s very likely out. (Previous ranking: 10)

    9. Gavin Newsom: Some California political watchers have noticed the governor seeming to weigh in more often in recent national political debates. “It’s painfully obvious Newsom wants to run for president one day,” SFGate’s Eric Ting wrote this week. Exactly how that would go down is less obvious. Newsom notched a big victory in a much-watched recall vote last year, but how he’d wear on voters outside the Golden State is a big question. Newsom practically exudes “West Coast liberal,” even as he’s probably a bit more moderate than some people realize. (Previous ranking: 7)

    8. Cory Booker: The senator from New Jersey was one of the most prominent faces of the Democrats’ effort to confirm Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court, delivering some heartfelt lines about the momentousness of the occasion. His 2020 campaign came nowhere close to capitalizing on the promise of his early political career, but Booker is just 52 and could still have another act on the national stage. (Previous ranking: 6)

    7. Sherrod Brown: The biggest shock of the early 2020 Democratic primary cycle might have been when the senator from Ohio unexpectedly passed on running. That was in part because he decided he wasn’t as invested in running as other Democrats were, and it’s possible that won’t have changed in 2024. But with Sanders out, there could be more of a space for his populist style of politics. And you can bet that plenty of establishment Democrats would put Brown very high on their list. One big wrinkle: He’s up for reelection in 2024, and he might not be able to fall back on seeking reelection in red-trending Ohio. (Previous ranking: n/a)

    6. Roy Cooper: He might be the one leading contender you hear the least about. That’s partially due to his being a governor, but partially just Cooper’s style. If it’s a just-win-baby type of election, and Democrats want a Biden-style candidate (though not Biden himself), the North Carolinian checks lots of boxes. He’s also, like Brown, a repeat winner in a tough state that Democrats would love to put on the map. (Previous ranking: 5)

    5. Amy Klobuchar: The senator from Minnesota would seem to benefit from a Biden-free race, just like some of these others would benefit from a Sanders-free race. But how much? Her high-water mark in 2020 was 20 percent in New Hampshire, and she underperformed in Iowa long before Biden really kicked things into gear. (Previous ranking: 4)

    4. Elizabeth Warren: Sanders’s camp has suggested Biden will face a progressive challenger in 2024. But exactly who would that wing of the party line up behind? Politico reported recently that top Sanders aides have gotten involved in setting up the field for 2024 — but by pushing for Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) to run rather than by building up Warren. Sanders and Warren have often been allies in the Senate, but their 2020 presidential campaigns got pretty ugly with one another. The senator from Massachusetts also has a reelection bid in 2024, which she has said she’ll pursue. (Previous ranking: 3)

    3. Kamala D. Harris: We’re dropping Harris down a slot this time. Being vice president is certainly a good launchpad, but it’s not at all clear Harris has put it to good use. Her numbers are similar to Biden’s, and she’s done little to change the perceptions that harmed her 2020 campaign, including on her ability to drive a message. There’s also no way she would run against Biden if he does run (while others might have seen wiggle room on that). On the plus side, Biden has committed to her being his running mate again. (Previous ranking: 1)

    2. Pete Buttigieg: The transportation secretary moves ahead of Harris, but not with any great conviction on our part. He ran a good campaign in 2020 — we’ll repeat that he was very close to winning the first two contests — and would enter 2024 with more heft as a Cabinet secretary. Mostly, we’d expect a Biden-less race to be one of the most wide-open contests in recent memory. To the extent people don’t want Biden or Harris, he’s next in line just in terms of sheer plausibility. (Previous ranking: 2)

    1. President Biden: Having said all of the above, things are often darkest for a president in a midterm election year. And Biden has both a pandemic and inflation to contend with. If those factors wane in the coming months, and after the 2022 midterms? The picture might be significantly different. If Republicans win some control of Congress, as appears likely, it could even help Biden politically, because he’ll have something to run against (even apart from Donald Trump). But mostly, we just wonder whether we’ll see him try to become the first-ever octogenarian presidential nominee.


     
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  10. ThatBoyNick

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    I like the list upside down better

    3. The Vegan
    2. The Californian
    1. Boss Hogg AOC

    Let's get that Communism bois
     
  11. Os Trigonum

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    the only Californian you have a shot with is DiFi
     
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  14. ThatBoyNick

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    70 years of experience has to make you a wizard in the sack
     
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    Disappointed The Rock didn't make the rankings... yet.
     
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  16. deb4rockets

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    I wish Michelle would run. That being said I would vote for any Democrat running before voting for twice impeached Trump.
    Anyway, hopefully that coup leader and crook gets a few criminal charges slapped on him before 2024.
     
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  17. Os Trigonum

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    didn't he get impeached for "inciting a riot"?

    but now they're saying it was a pre-planned conspiracy.

    How can one incite a riot when it was pre-planned by other people?

    confusing.
     
  18. B-Bob

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    I know you're just trying to get deb's goat as a pastime, but these things aren't mutually exclusive, as you know.

    Every person who stormed the capital could not have been in the apparent planning process, absent a pre-January 6 convention (or Zoom webinar, LOL). A small group of people can make a plan to incite a larger group, as we've seen countless times with human beings. (shrug)

    Anyway, on your actual thread topic, I am really hoping for a vigorous Dem primary that crowns someone other than Biden or Harris. Would seriously love the Rock to get involved in politics, given the nature of our elections. I expect to be disappointed all around, with both parties, and I'll vote for creaky Joe over Trump again.
     
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    hey, she's the one who brought up Trump's two count 'em TWO impeachments in a thread about 2024 Democratic candidates
     
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    Don't be confused. It's simple. Trump and his crooked men planned it for months, just in case he lost. Then when he lost they started up the all the propaganda "Stop the Steal" BS until the day Trump gave the orders to storm. It's really not rocket science. He just can't admit defeat, especially to Joe Biden. LMAO
     

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