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Police shoot a man in Baton Rouge, LA.

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  1. edwardc

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    BTG I can get some of what you are saying but how do we know that the taser hit him we can hear it being discharged and seconds later we see the officer tackle him why they didn't hit him with the taser again we may never know and when the officer felt the gun why not grab it instead he pulled his and put it in his chest Sterling's was in his pocket it doesn't add up.
     
  2. durvasa

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    Thanks.

    When you say that he would have had to go to prison for a minimum of 5 years, is that because he did not register himself as a sex offender or for some other offense?
     
  3. DCkid

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    Is this for real?

     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    The taser fires out and you don't really get a second chance at it, here's a picture to help you understand what I'm saying

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    Also, when officers get someone on the ground their first goal is to get control of their arms and get the person in cuffs. You don't go through someone's pockets while they have an arm free. Being that this guy has been arrested numerous times and was in prison and jail several times, he knows what the cops want from him and he was resisting like he did when he got popped with weed. He knew he was going to prison for a long time after getting caught with a gun yet again and he was I guess hoping he could get away. It's just the absolute dumbest thing anyone can ever do.
     
  5. edwardc

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    That is true but there are so many question as to why the officers use the force they did.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    This time around he was facing 10 years hard labor at a minimum for being caught carrying a firearm as a felon with domestic violence charges and as a sex offender. Louisiana has some weird law that makes it 10 to 20 for certain felons and he fit the bill. He had a warrant out for failure to register as a sex offender on top of all of that. He was looking at serious prison time and doing hard labor....a really crappy outlook.
     
  7. edwardc

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    There was 2 officers there both had tasers the one that tackle him went high it is hard to bring someone down like that. I get what your saying about the his record and that he would may have been going back to jail but that doesn't give the cops the right to use any type of force they want too. I have question as to why pull his arm down when you know from the 911 call that there maybe a gun on him 2. why wasn't there more officers on the scene when a gun was reported as being waved around there are things that just don't add up not saying that they are wrong but it looks real bad right now.
     
  8. durvasa

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    OK, but the argument that he had good reason to resist arrest to avoid going to prison doesn't add up to me, unless you're saying he thought he could some how resist himself out of an arrest. Try to run away? Maybe. But I can't imagine he thought he'd just fight them off or something.
     
  9. Granville

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    A well respected child molester......ok.........
     
  10. edwardc

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    He was a living in a shelter so how do we know that he wasn't willing to go back to jail for is offenses 10 to 20 may have been his way to get himself back on track not get killed. He did have a gun but it was in his pocket not pulled or pointed at the officers it just raises questions.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't have a problem with the force used in getting him to the ground, my only real question is about the shooting. I still haven't seen any angle that shows one way or the other what was going on with his right hand so I can't say he was for sure going for his gun and that the shooting was justified. That said, I can't say for sure that he wasn't doing something like that either. There's just not a good enough angle so it's either take the cops' word for it or potentially convict innocent people.

    The guy's record shows me that he should have known better than to fight with cops, but it also shows me that he's done it in the past. Based on that I feel comfortable concluding that he was resisting arrest. When you resist arrest and you are armed it doesn't take much before you give cops a justified reason to shoot you if they decide to. Because of that, unless another angle comes out that shows what was going on with his right hand, I couldn't convict the cops.....but I'd probably fire them for not doing a better job of restraining this guy.

    I mean sure, he's a big dude 5'11 but over 310 pounds is a ton of assmass to control but professionals have to do a better job. There was 2 of them after all.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Resisting arrest never makes sense to me, but this would have been his 2nd time doing so. Maybe he was just a naturally belligerent person despite what some have said about him. I mean his record would suggest that to be true.
     
  13. edwardc

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    Thank you it just doesn't add up something is missing he was a big guy so trying to out run them most likey wasn't going to happen.
     
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    Is it unreasonable to think that a gun could discharge in someone's pants pockets.?I don't understand the whole "he didn't have the gun in his hand" argument. Do cops have to wait until a verifiable real gun is in a suspect's hands before they can take self defense measures?
     
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    First off, I'm not ready to say the officer was in the wrong....but that claim is ridiculous. If you're worried about that I hope you are strongly against concealed carry.
     
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    Kprc just showed a good close up..I see what you're saying now...he does have his hand up around his chest and is showing it, officer does seem to grab it, but it's still not clear who pulled down, but definitely looks bad.
     
  17. durvasa

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    Fair enough. Hopefully some more videos come out to confirm it one way or another. Absent that, I think its fair to think he was likely resisting arrest prior to the take down.
     
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    Just a guess but I'd wager a fair amount of alcohol or other substances may have been involved
     
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    Hey ? where did you get the info on his record just a trooper say they were looking into his record to see what all was on it.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    A bunch of places have been reporting it online, I even posted a link to one of them. It's all public record so people have access to it.
     

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