Check out the video to it: http://www.wbir.com It is pretty sad to see...I saw it last night on that Connie Chung show on CNN. That cop has been reduced to administrative duties. I hope that station and the county gets sued on this crap...
FrancisFan, " That is the biggest piece of **** saying." biggest piece of **** saying?? WTF?? Man, that's quite the hyperbole. First off, dog owners damn sure know whether their dog has ever bitten or even growled at another human being. "Nice dogs" just want to sniff your crotch. They think every person they meet wants to scratch their nice whittle heads. Secondly, carjack suspects are not approached. Cops are required to do a "felony stop," which is not approaching the car, and not allowing arm movements of any kind (including closing the car doors). So your solution to ask for identification is not by the book. The only solution is for the cops to access the relative danger of the situation and let the wife either close the doors so the dogs don't run into traffic and cause an accident, or once out, he can again access the relative danger of the wife with 2 dogs being a carjacker and let her stand up and get the dog.
There are going to be bad cops. It is unavoidable. Please remember that the majority are not like this dolt and serve a critical function for all of us, while putting their lives at stake and families at risk. That said, just like children who kill small animals are an indication of worse things to come, a cop so quick to shoot a family's tail-wagging dog is a serious concern (aside from the obvious wrong committed to the family).
After getting the dictionary out I found out that hyperbole means an exaggerstion which ofcourse was what it was, but I'm not just talking about this story when it comes to the saying, because there are dog owners everywhere that say "he won't bite". So if you compare a human and a dog...you don't know if a human is just going to snap at something or all of a sudden get angry just like a dog. But that comparison may not be too accurate b/c I "Nice Human" donesn't just want to sniff your crotch. About the felony stop..I've never heard about that before.
...in your definition, what else does a 'nice human' want to do? (Sorry, I believe I won't meet your requirements of a 'nice human')
The felony stop is why they were on their knees with their hands behind their heads and the doors were still left open, and they had to ask to shut the doors. About dogs that might snap in anger, thing is FrancisFan, you can understand how kids and puppies generally do not snap in anger. Difference between adult humans and adult dogs is that adult dogs often never learn what anger is, aside from growling if you are trying to take food away from them. The better comparison is to compare adult humans to Lennie Small from Of Mice and Men. Many mentally handicapped humans are like harmless children. Many adult dogs are even more like harmless puppies, and the owners know it. Many dogs never (I mean *never*) growl at humans, much less bite them, because they associate all humans as loving providers just like Lenny (until Mrs Curly tried to seduce him, but that was for dramatic affect). If two dog owners on their knees at gunpoint say their dog is "friendly and will not hurt you," shooting that dog for not heeling is like shooting Lennie Small in a felony stop for not kneeling.
I'm with heypartner here, especially as he keeps reusing Lennie the man child in his posts this week. FrancisFan, do you know how long it would take for a small-to-medium brown dog to kill a full-grown cop? If he's scared, fine. How about using his night stick if the fierce little tail-wagger actually jumped on him. A shotgun blast is absolutely ridiculous -- the guy is sadistic or absolutely nuts or taking halucinogens! I am a dog guy, and this has ruined my morning.
I said in a post above:<Br><b>But that doesn't mean shoot a dog. If the dog were to be running at the officer that would be different and I would feal that the officer should whatever he felt necessary to defend himself, but since the description doesn't say that the dog was even moving and I'm not going to pay to suscribe to anything I haven't seen the video.</b><BR><BR>If I was the cop and was under a good-mental mindset I would have gotten out the pepper spray. According to the report the office was clearly in the wrong.
My God. This is so terrible and so sad. I can't imagine having to witness my dog shot, much less with a shotgun at point blank range. Even worse, knowing my son would witness this is hard to imagine. He should be fired.
My bad ... I am just too riled about this poor dog and the family seeing it shot down. If anyone hasn't been able to tell, I apparently like animals more than humans. As a kid, my siblings were dogs.
This story is F**ked up. There was no need to shotgun the dog even if it was a threat. A kick, the nightstick/flashlight, or some mace would deter any dog except those trained to kill or take you down. Hope this cop ends up serving donuts to his buddies after getting relieved of duty.
This makes me ill. I will say that if the cop really felt threatened, I could see why he might use deadly force. Of course, if you're threatened by a dog that's wagging its tail, you really shouldn't work as a cop. Really, what the cop should have done was shut the car doors so the dog couldn't get out. It would have been the absolute safest solution (imagine if he had missed the dog and hit a car or person instead). The cops involved clearly have no concept of controlling a potential arrest scene and are a danger to themselves, their fellow officers, and the rest of us. The family gets my sympathies.
The cop thought the dog was pulling a gun on him. He did what he had to do. Only later did they find out it was just a cell phone. I find it so sad that justice will probably be done for the dog-killing when there have been so many cases of police brutality against human beings that were not justly served. Sure, I want justice for this, but I'd trade it in a second for some of the other shootings committed by police.
Thanks for clearing that up. I had visions of Romulus & Remus, or even worse - Damien, dancing in my head. They were waltzing.
I appreciate what you are saying Juan (and I certainly don't want to diminish the fact that there are police that unjustly shoot and kill innocent people), but the fact is, people should know better. I cop pulls his gun and says, "hands up!"...damnit, you better stick your hands up. Even if you don't understand English, you should at least have enough common sense to know that when an authority figure is agitated and pointing a gun at you, you shouldn't be making any sudden movements and you sure as hell should grab anything on your person and pull it out. I'm sure there are a number of people who who have been shot who did nothing and were completely innocent. I'm also pretty sure there are people who aren't so innocent who were stupid and didn't put their hands up and/or went to grab something. And I'm sure there are cases in between these extremes. Nobody deserved to be shot, and only some of them deserved to go to jail. That being said, if I'm a cop and it's dark outside, and you're a perp, and I tell you to put your hands up, and you reach inside your jacket and pull something small and dark out....you're dead. I'll empty my magazine into you. I don't care if it turns out to be a cell phone and I lose my job. I'm not taking a chance with MY life. If you REALLY expect cops to act differently, then you need to think of a way that we can pay them seven figure salaries...'cuz that's what it's gonna take to get people to work under those constraints. All that being said....a dog doesn't know ANY of this.
