Rose is playing great basketball, but hes started to get a little over rated. I'll take a healthy Chris Paul over him any day of the week. Paul was great those years you're talking about its a shame they cheated him out of his MVP.
Well the Bulls wouldnt stink because of their defenisve, but they damn sure wouldnt be fighting for the best record in the east without Rose.
my MVP this season fersure. I'm tired of the r****ded SG in a PG's body. People like that know nothing about basketball..
You're right, there's a lot of that going on here. Thanks for bringing us back to an intelligent discourse.
Twp nights ago Rose swarmed Deron Williams (a better point guard then Paul) on defense only giving him 5 point and 11 assists. Some of you exaggerate how bad his defense is because that's the only thing you can poke at. His D is average. I'll chose Rose over any point guard to run my team, he's younger faster and is only improving (Westbrooks is a hell of a player, def. more physical but I don't trust that jumper). Number one team in the East. The Hornets?
1) deron is not a better PG than paul. 2) deron is playing with an injured wrist and has been struggling for the longest time. 3) i think teams struggle vs chicago b/c of their interior defense moreso than their perimeter defense. 4) i don't think rose's defense is that bad, but he's not their top 4 overall defenders (that goes to noah, asik, deng, bogans, brewer, gibson). my main problem with rose is his inefficiency. his fg% is dropping like crazy. he is shooting less than 40% from the field since the all-star break, and yet the team is still winning. so ask yoruself that: your best player who takes the majority of the shots make less than 40% of those shots, and yet you are still winning, and winning big. now is that due to rose? or is that due to defense? yesterday vs the pacers, rose had one of his better games since the all-star break (and he was still highly inefficient), and they lost. why? b/c their defense was subpar than usual as they allowed the pacers to score on 4 straight possessions in OT. if rose shoots 47-48% like in years' past and puts up these type of production, i would have no qualms about it. hell, if he shoots 47-48%, he would be a top 3-4 player.
I believe Deron is a much better PG then Paul, maybe because I don't like whiny dirty little b****es but that's another argument. His efficiency has dropped but is he really shooting that much? In most of his games in the win streak he's taken about 21 shots average and in most games that he goes over 24 shots he's taking 10+ FT's which is another thing that isn't talked about... His FT percentage in these last 9 games has been .850+. His assists go down when he sums up a high point total and that's going to happen every time because he's trying to put the team on his back. I swear he had like 4 and1's against the pacers last night. Simply put, the Bulls would be an 7th-8th seed without Rose and that's just cause the East sucks.
Like another poster said, with the worst offense in the NBA the Bulls would still have a positive point differential. If we assume that (and I think they wouldn't have the worst offense) then they still wouldn't qualify for a bad team. They would still be in the playoffs.
He deserves MVP because he's a big reason why they are the number 1 team in the East right now which was not expected.
21 shots average is not much? consider that monta ellis is the #1 leader in avg fga at 20.5, with rose at 20.3. and we all think carmelo anthony is an efficient scorer? rose takes it to another level. and you add onto that the ft attempts so he basically takes around 25-30 shot attemts per game, and he's a PG. people say he doesn't have help, but deng and boozer are proven scorers, esp boozer. again, the bulls would be completely unbeatable if rose somehow shoots 47-48% on a consistent basis b/c their defense is championship-caliber.
Well I guess he'll go down as one of the most inefficient MVP's in the game but that doesen't mean he isn't deserving, on the contrary, I think he's more deserving then anybody in the league, even Dwight.
Maybe it's the need to fit players into stereotypical roles that went out the window when Magic Johnson entered the league, if not before. Most of the point guards that have won championships in the last 30 years don't fit the mold of the 'prototypical' point guard, yet that's still what everyone wants for some reason. It's a little mind-boggling.
lebron does have more offensive help, hence his ridiculous fg% the past 3 months for a perimeter player (53%ish). and even last year when he didn't have much help, he shot 50%. for a guy who goes to the rack as much as derrick rose, for him to shoot 43%, that's ridiculous.
the bulls are #1 in defense and #1 in rebounding, the first team to do that in 30 years. and that's without noah and boozer for long periods. i'm sure rose has very little to do with neither of that. now the bulls are 20th in offense (ppg) and rose is one of the most inefficient guards in the game, so rose has led his team to the bottom 3rd of the league offensively. so the bulls are basically a bottom tiered offensive team and the best defensive and rebounding team? so no, the bulls would probably still be a top tiered team in the east if rose misses the same amount of games as noah did (but now you have noah and boozer healthy for those games). they wouldn't win pretty (but it's not like they are now with rose). but their defense would be ridiculous. they'll be like the better version of the current nuggets team.
