RIET, since you are quoting my post, I assume you are including me in this statement. For the record, I am not a Posey basher. I repeatedly praised Posey's game last season. I like him as a player. Just because I happen to believe that he's not worth 22.5 M over 4 years doesn't make me a Posey basher. Just because I believe Jackson is a better player than Posey does not make me a Posey basher. Now if I said Moochie was better than Posey then I would surely be a basher. And I didn't come in here to mislead and lie. If you want to use these strong words, it's up to you. I am not going to argue with you on the definition of the word "bust." Just because you don't agree with my opinion does not make me a liar. You way of responding to people who disagree with you is what makes this board so hostile lately. BTW, I believe this statement qualifies you as a JJ basher.
Actually he only averaged 20 minutes per game with the Kings. The last time he played close to a 80 game schedule was in 1999. Actually had a good year then. I doubt he's like fine wine and gets better with age.
I apologize for the "lie" part as it wasn't directed at you. However, people continuously tell half truths when comparing players. JJ was cheaper than Posey. Fine. However, let's not do revisionist history. The replacement for Posey was Piatkowski and Adrian Griffin. i don't know how many people (practically everyone on this board) was praising what a great deal that was and how Piatkowski's 3 point shooting would be an integral part of this year's team. They added Jim Jackson at $2.5 million which was more than he's made in the past several years. He played for the minimum the previous year. The cumulative effect was JJ, Adrian Griffin and Piatkowski. What a huge bargain that was. Meanwhile Posey has significantly improved his shot and found a niche role with Memphis. The person who some said would barely play now logs more minutes than Bonzi Wells, who has a lot of talent to go with his baggage. And yet people will continually try to downplay Posey's success at Memphis and pretend we made some tremendous upgrade on the cheap. We didn't. It will only get worse in the 2nd half unless they start cutting back on JJ's minutes.
Precisely how good do you think Posey is ? He's a half-decent player on a middling team. He's overpaid.
Hey RIET, I also hope JVG can cut back the minutes on our starters, not only JJ. But I feel 36 minutes is not too much for a guy in JJ's condition. If we are going to ask a 310-pounder Yao to play that many minutes, a much lighter and stronger guy like JJ should be capable of it too. The mailman was capable of playing huge minutes approching 40 year old. Haven't you noticed that JJ is playing better lately after he logged more minutes per game? How long he can go on? We'll have to wait to see, I guess. No matter how you put it, Posey is not earning his money in Memphis. $24mil/4 year, 10ppg, 4rpg, 0.4asp? Ranks 22nd among SF's? That is not a contract a manger will brag about. I would expect his minutes go even lower as Wells mixes into their system. Wait till then and let's see who will keep praising how smart West was.
He averages 11 ppg on a team that has 5 players in double figures and 3 more averaging 9 ppg. The fact that he is probably one of the top 3 wing defenders in the league and he shoots 46% from the field makes him a good value. I am pretty sure if he played 40 minutes per game he could match Cat's 15 ppg. It is funny , he shoots better than any wing player on your team and averages more steals than anyone on your team. Don't forget, he only plays 28 minutes a game. Comparable stats JJ plays 10 more minutes per game. Yep JJ is better
stats don't tell you the whole story. JJ's passing and ball handeling is nowhere Posey is close to. If Posey is so good, why isn't he playing 10 more minutes as you suggested? Playing more don't always pad up your stats. Don't forget we also have 5 guys average double figures on our team, and JJ was not the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd option. He average 6 rpg, 3 apg, what about Posey? Here is another question, Why is West paying mid-level stater money to a near bottom starting SF who you have use for half a game only? Isn't that stupid? Now Wells will eat Posey's minutes, this will look more stupid. Soon West is going to consider shipping out this luxury commodity he has in Posey. Top 3 wing defenders? Give me a break. He is the third behind Kobe and Bowen? That is a joke, right? Besides, we are on the top in term of defense, if we have weakness in that department, that is on our 1 and 4 position. We have excellent defense on 2, 3, and 5.
a guy has one good game and yall want to give him that much money. Look what happend with i dont know what im doing mooch.
Irrational. If one extrapolates your argument to every player on your team, then one comes to the conclusion that Memphis essentially has the best roster in the league and they're dramatically underachieving somehow. In your post, you fail to differentiate Posey from any other Memphis player. Memphis has a style of play that is conducive to creating a lot of middling scoring averages. So, please choose: 1. Memphis is a ridiculously talented team that is underachieving. 2. Posey's achievements are the product of the system. or I suppose 3. Posey is different than the other Memphis players for reasons not included in the original post.
Apology accepted. My earlier post did point out that JJ was not meant to replace Posey. I then responded to the poster who said that the two players were comparable but the management went cheap as if having a comparable player with a lower price was a bad thing. I thought that was some strange logic. Anyway, you can have your opinion on the comparison between the two. To me, even without looking at the stats (which I took pain to dig out in order to back up my point), it is clear JJ is better than Posey in almost all facets of the game except athleticism and age. I understand that the replacement of Posey was Pike and Griffin. I already said that I knew Griffin wasn't a good pick. But Pike is different. It made sense to get him. His shooting was not a fluke. He had proven it over a 9-year career. I dodn't know why he is not shooting well with us. Is he in a slump or is he not fitting with the offense? The point is, nobody could have predicted this slump. If I asked you before the season: Who do you trust more to take an open outside shot, Pike or Posey? What would be your answer? My answer would be (and is) Pike any day.
Both players are comparable because they are bench players and not impact players. A look at the stats that you provide would indicate that both guys are pretty much interchangeable. The key difference is that with Posey, you can play a more uptempo game (read fastbreak - yeah, I know it's been a while since you saw one of those...). Posey would have been a better fit for the JVG Knick offense due to his speed and athleticism. You missed my point here: Rocket personnel decisions are being based on money and not talent. JJ's signing was not a move made with basketball in mind (i.e. he's BETTER that Posey see stats above) but MONEY - he was CHEAPER than Posey. Posey was not signed because of MONEY, period. KT was let go because of MONEY. We have Mark Jackson & Witherspoon on board because of MONEY (i.e. they cost very little). The question I pose to you is the same one I've been asking since last summer: How does picking up players nobody else wants make the Rockets more competative against the top teams in the West? As for Piatkowski, the guy was a former Clipper. If the lowly Clips didn't want him why should we have wanted him? So he can hit 3 pointers...sometime. Big Whoop! He ain't hitting them now so in my book he's a bust because he is not doing what he was expressly signed to do - teams routinely leave him uncovered to drape themselves around Yao because he's not hitting 3 pointers. That's exactly the kind of play I'd expect from a former Clipper... This team needs more than ONE guy who can hit 3 pointers - if anything what's needed is for our guards AND small forwards to become more consistent shooters from inside and ourtside of the arc PERIOD.
Does this question need an answer? Didn't MJ just prove that he could still play? Didn't J. O'neal got discarded by Portland and then became a super star? How about Ben Wallace? You see talents nobody else see, and explore it to full extent. Then you are the best scout.
Both are BENCH players? So you think we should have signed a bench player for more than 5 millions a year? Answer: Look at the record we have now.
in the game against Pacer, JJ had 14 pts, 10 rebounds. Haven't you noticed that his shooting is get pretty consistent good? And he is more physical than Posey ever was, his rebound number is one proof.
