if you look at his number whole season, you will see a totally different picture. He is unreliable. Every lousy player may have a glorious 5 game streak, then he dispears for next ten games. Come back when Posey shows some consistency.
We are all arguing about hypothetic questions, so there is no way you will sit here and argue that Posey would improve this or that. This is a totally different offense and defense system under JVG, and so far we did pretty well, and as season goes on we will get better. Don't understate what this team has overcome and overstate what Posey's leaving cost us. Haven't you forgotten that we lost EG too! Whatever this team has suffered, EG shares a big share. Don't blame all of this on letting Posey go. Look, Les is not Cuban, he is not going to spend like crazy. He is paying for two coachs, 2 players that are not on the roster, and look at the empty seats in Toyota center, he has a good reason not to pay big money for someone who won't make a big difference right away.
You missed the statistics education class I gave in the summer: Only about 80 players in NBA make more than MLE! You keep thinking an average NBA player should make MLE, wrong!
Great point! I mean losing Griffin definitely hurt this team! Say what you will about him but at least he was mobile and could guard quick PFs. He would be a rotational player on this team for sure.
What would have been truely fun to watch would have been JJ and Posey playing together. U can see sometimes JJ bringing the ball up the court in a hurry, and just looking everywhere for someone to pass to for an easy bucket.....now imagine Pose running the court everytime and just slamming it on weak transition defensive teams.....last year it was JJ with Christie....it could have been JJ to Posey I think the reason to let him go was to not even take a chance. With all the bad contracts and what not....what they didnt realize was it WASNT 42 million like Shandon got, or 48 mil that Mo got, or even 42 that Cato got....like Sane said, it was like 24 million, for 3 years! Short term, and not that much money. If it doesnt work out, its over w/ quick! Our fastbreak is really in need of another athlete, since our big men dont get out and run much
Well said Dude. We just do not have enough good finishers and to add insult to injury Posey is actually shooting better than Pike from 3pt land, the irony and the stupidity. Canon, any picture you take of Posey this season or last season reveal CD and JVG made a fundamental, costly mistake.
As Ima said, I knew I'd wake up this morning and see a "We shouldn't have gotten rid of Posey" thread. There it is! Posey played some great games for us too, remember? But he also had some real bad stretches, remember? He's a good athletic finisher running the floor. But he's not a good shooter. Posey is NOT a better shooter than Pike. Having some good shooting nights does not make one a good shooter. Having a whole career of good shooting does. Pike is not playing well. But he was a valuable role player for the Clippers. Why he is not playing well with us I don't know. Maybe it's JVG's system. Maybe he just happens to have a bad year. It happens to most players, you know. You looked at Pike, JJ, A Griffin, and Posey at the beginning of the season, and the prices they were asking, who would you rather have, honestly? I agree AG was a bad pickup, even at that time. But Pike and JJ were a very good upgrade over Posey, and much cheaper. BTW, Boki was supposed to be the finisher for us. Let's hope Pike's slump can develop Boki into what he should be. Boki has the same hustle level as Posey. And he should be a better shooter than Posey. He just need more confidence.
Well...I do miss the Posey alleyoop dunks fast break. He would run like crazy and get easy baskets. I loved that. He was sorta dumb..but he was cool..one of my favorite players. I wish we had him. But there's nothing we can do! He is not coming back...
No matter how I see it, I still think Posey is overpaid. Given the fact that Les and CD were not going to sign JJ and Pike had they kept Posey, I like their decision. Pike is in a slump and AG was injured. There are things that always happen. JJ is shooting the ball better lately, and I am sure he will prove to be a better shooter than Posey at the end of the season. And there is no doubt JJ is a better ball handeler with better passing ability. His defense is good too, except a couple of games he over committed to double teaming, but that was the design of JVG.
I think there's no question JJ is a better player than Posey, except for age. (But who cares what we have 3 years from now? You only need to keep your stars. Role players are replaceable parts. You can always sign good role players as long as you manage your cap well.) And he's much cheaper than Posey. The argument, however, is that we could have had BOTH Posey and JJ. It's true that if we didn't sign Pike and AG, we would be able to have Posey and JJ without getting into LuxTax. (If I am wrong here please correct me.) But then, most people here including myself thought that Pike was a very solid pick up. Who'd have thought he'd be in a big slump? If you asked me to choose between a cheap Pike and an expensive Posey, I'd take Pike any day. AG is another story. I knew he was a damaged good. The thing is, he's a so-called JVG-type player. So [shrug].
Everyone seems to forget that the Utah deal presented itself sometime after the 15 days ran to match Posey's contract. If the Rockets would have matched, it would have put them further over the luxury tax threshold. It would have cost Les millions That is why they passed. Remember that they waited until the last minute to pass on Posey, so I bet they were working the lines to try to get something done at the time to clear luxury tax room. If the Utah deal presented itself prior to the 15 day window on Posey, I bet they would have matched on Posey. And had room to sign JJ. They would have not offered contracts to Pike and AG, then.
If they were going to pay the tax the day after they match I would understand that point but they had endless time, had they matched, to avoid or limit the tax. If this decision was an isolated stupid bonehead move, then I could give them the benefit of the doubt. If you go back to the moment Akeem's contract was not renewed, the roster today is the weakest roster of all the possible rosters we could have had today. The road from then to now is littered with questionable moves. Thank god they were smart enough to pick Ming after being lucky enough to get the pick.
someone will correct me if Im wrong, but the LT would not be triggered till the end of the season if their total salry was over the limit. To have your salaries over the limit for a couple of weeks should not have cost Unca Les any additional moola. In that scenario, they could have matched Posey and still made the move to reduce salary by making the deal with Utah to bring the salaries back down. Sometimes, when I look at nights like Mon...I do wish we had both JJ and JP still on the roster..JJ aould make a fabulous 2 to use with Cat and we wouldnt lose an ounce of defense on the switchoff..and having JJ feeding JP streaking down the court would be a sight to behold. but alas...it isnt to be,and all we can do is move on and do the best we can with who we have.
As long as we're playing "what ifs?" in regards to signing Posey, isn't it also possible that Utah, sensing our dire need to get back under the luxury tax threshold, would ask for MORE in return than what they already got (assuming we matched Posey's offer)? We had a bit of leverage when the Utah deal went down (we could've walked away from the bargaining table still under the LT mark). If we matched Posey, however, there's no telling what kind of deal we would have gotten. Sure, we could have Posey and JJ right now, but it might have cost us MORE than Rice + 2 first rounders + second rounder + cash (plus taking back Amaechi). You can spin "what ifs?" any which way. Just food for thought. [shrugs]
That is true....if they had the knowledge that we were desperate to get back under the LT..which is an assumption that none of us are qualified to make.. Im not unhappy with the way it went down...as long as we get some value from the TE.. btw...IIRC, it wasnt 2 first rounders + a second rounder it was a first rounder + either 2 second rounders or the first rounder if the Bulls manage to stay out of the lottery(Drew obligation) with the Bulls picks it is an either/or deal....not both..
I agree. If we DON'T use the TE, then people can b**** all they want about not signing Posey, giving up too much to get rid of Rice, Cheap b*stard Les, yadda yadda. The TE is the key. Gotcha. I fell victim to my own pet peeve: the spread of disinformation. Maybe I should make that Rockets cheatsheet I alluded to here.
The energy and motivation of I. THomas on a NY team that had much less flexibility is what CD lacked. Bold moves will get bold results. The leverage point raised the kind of timidity and unjustified fear, all of a sudden on CD and Les' part, of the luxury tax. What could possibly be the result of this slight change in Utah's leverage? Funny how West and Brown do not seem to have the same fear of the tax.
There's a big difference between going to the bargaining table with the notion that you HAVE to make a deal (i.e. desperation) versus knowing that you can easily walk away. If other GMs know you have to make a deal, it's like sharks circling in the water. (Let it be known that Isiah Thomas did NOT have to make a deal.) The Utah trade may not have been the greatest deal of all-time, but it could've been worse if the team allowed itself to be put into a real financial bind. Isiah has pretty much the MOST financial flexibility in the league. His team payroll WAS $89 million, easily the highest in the league (hoopsh***.com has them at almost $92 million now). If he didn't have flexibility, he couldn't have taken on all that salary in the Marbury trade (taking on added salary is often a deal buster in trades). Can you imagine CD asking Les to take on $14 million more in money (i.e. Hardaway's salary for this year alone)? I think a few veins in Alexander's head would explode. CD has to work with the budget he has, much like Hunsicker does for the Astros (unless a guy like Clemens falls in his lap). That doesn't make him "timid;" it makes him "cautious." Now, if, by some small chance, the Utah trade was known about and discussed PRIOR to the Posey signing, then you totally have a legitimate gripe. Hell, I'd complain too, knowing the Rockets could be starting Posey and bringing JJ in off the bench.
