1) Did I say JJ was worth more than 1.5M? Posey's contract is 3 years, and if the first is 4.7M, then the second year is still below 6M, and only the third year will be around 6M. Depending on the escalations, it may NEVER exceed 6M. 2) The halfcourt offense doesn't work without efficient fastbreaking, the main reason why we're a poor offensive team. There's no fastbreaking in a halfcourt offense? Where'd you get that? There are less opportunities, I'll grant you that, but that makes each one so much more valuable. Posey would create mroe opportunities and finish more of them off. We're not specualting here, we saw this last year.
Posey's contract is 4 year, 22.5 - 24 mil. average almost 6 mil a year. The key of fastbreak is the ball handeler, we don't have a good one in SF.
22.5 divided by 4 (if these numbers are even accurate) is 5.6M per year. It doesn't matter. His first season is 4.7M, and he's well worth it. His last year is a team option. If he's worth 4.7 in the first season, and around 5.2M in the second season, then he's WAY more than tradeable in his third season and that's IF we don't think he's worth it. After the first 2 years, he'd have (according to YOU) one guranteed year at 6.1M and one non-guaranteed year at around 6.5M. Ok, let's see, let's find a team that wants James Posey for 6M with one year left, if he doesn't pan out, dont exercise his option (basically an expiring contract). You're telling me that's a bad deal? Puh-lease. The key to a fastbreak is tempo. The ball handler is the person who gets the rebound. When Yao gets a rebound, takes a look, and finds Steve Francis hanging from his shorts, what is he supposed to do? But if he finds Posey already running full throttle towards the other basket, that's 2 points right there. canoner, there's no way you'll sit here and argue that Posey wouldn't improve this team's fastbreak. We're not specualting about acquirign a player. We HAD Posey and he DID improve our fastbreak, and our fastbreak has SUFFERED since he left. What exactly is your argument? Same team this year, just JJ in place of Rice, that's it. You might as well sit here and argue that Hakeem couldn't win a championship - he did, we have the trophies to prove it.
There is one other factor making JJ look better than JP. As someone said JP plays with a team with other decent SFs, JJ has been able the only SF to show up at all. Reverse their team and little doubt the total production switches, we will also see how long the 33 old JJ can hold up. But someone else said it, it never should have been a choice between these two, you need more decent role players in the league, not less. I agree we saved a little money and not lost that much on the court right now, but the move is likely to hurt us 3-4-5 maybe later years down the line. It was done out of cheapness with a lot of drawbacks and no tangible benefit expcept to Les's wallet. DD, I like Battier OK, but keeping Posey for your own money rather than trading for a comparable total talent does not make much sense to me. Further if Posey keeps on shooting any where near 46% & 40% (3) like he without have a Yao, most of the honest folk have to admit letting him go was a mistake becauce FG% was the # knock on the guy from most on this board.
Should Lesley Alexander have signed sorry pathetic black dudes? The outbid for pair are riding pine and performing poorly when playing. Daniels was pushed out by Flip and Ollie plays like Hardy for Cavs. Did the team screw up over the summer? The real answer is whether the owner insisted that the team remain essentially intact except for the coach. He did, and found that Rudy coached well, just GM'ed poorly.
I'll make you a deal. I won't call EG or MN sorry pathetic black dudes if you don't call EP and BN sorry pathetic white dudes. Ok? Raven
Sometimes I wonder what game you guys are watching. Anyone who says the team is not fastbreaking or does not intend to, have not seen the last six games. SF and JJ are, at this time, bringing up the ball much faster than earlier and the team is currently limited by the lack of finishers, that is, a high flying speedster like Posey. The defense is playing great, SF is playing serious as a point guard and the thing about JJ is that he is not as fast and is not high flying. I am not saying it is Posey or JJ. I certainly would take Posey and luxury tax any day over Pike and AD. Do not let me get started about the place for someone like EG in the game last night. The team is playing great and will play even better but it will come to past that the talent depletion in the JVG era is going to limit us in the end. At this point, just before the all-star break this team is a legitimate top 5/6 team in the West and can still be a top 4. No one can claim, at this point we have had an easy schedule or any other stupid reason why we are where we are. It just continues to hurt me to see that JVG has invested that much time in Padgett and Pike, when the same level of investment in Hawkins and Morris would have reaped, in my opinion, better results. While I am not knocking Padgett, Morris who must be in a crap heap somewhere, with JVG's investment could help the team keep up with teams like Memphis which is more talented 1 -10. What talent depletion? Posey, Eg, Tmo, Hawkins, Norris, Rice - out Padgett, Pike, JJ, AD, Spoon - In All CD had to do was bring in JJ. In the offseason our most glaring weakness was at the 2 guard. Just bring in JJ and you all set. Think about this? MoT is now a factor on defense, on the boards and in the passing game. What? Yes it is true. So if JVG can do that with an overweight, short, relatively slow player, what do you figure he would have done with EG and Tmo? Instead he has had to -uck around with Braggs, Ford, Padgett and Spoon. Who is managing this team? Gawd!.
I knew a thread like this would appear as soon as that game ended. It's ironic to me that the people that lambast the Rockets for not signing Posey are the same people that complain about the ridiculous contracts we gave Maloney, Moochie, MoT, Cato et al. You can't have it both ways.
He never played like that for us. where the hell did that outburst come from? He single handedly cut our throat.
I am not sure who you are refering to. Had it not been for the luck of getting Ming, this team would be nowhere right now based on the way CD and Co have managed and used the draft picks and free agency. Never has someone done so little with so much. Just like the moves they made in NY, they should move CD out.
Slamma, opportunity is a funny thing. I will say it again, we should have found it very strange that two of the top 10 minds of all time in basketball, Brown and West, were taking Posey from us in broad daylight. Just based on that alone I would have kept him. If you had no use for him, I can understand but you clearly do. We parade Pike in here and that is supposed to make us happy. That Pike contract really looking attractive now, eh? Give me a break. Be part of some thing big when all we have done is go small. What a blasted joke.
I wasn't singleling you out, I was refering to the bbs overall. And if you read my post, you'd know I'm damn well not defending CD's bonehead moves. Quite the opposite actually. I'm saying you shouldn't judge Posey on just one game. Isn't that the same thing CD and staff did with Cato? Posey is a slightly better than average NBA player, and even that is arguable. The fact that he is not a 6 million dollar man isn't.
At the end of the season when the Rox lose out #8 to the Griz, ask yourself again if Posey was worth the extra 1 mil we didn't match and have JJ. We could have not gotten AG and Pike..... And MJ.... Think about it....
You are THE man for making this statement. So you say Posey is just above average right? How is the value of the Mid Level exception determined? Whatever that number is, Posey should be making slightly ABOVE that since he's ABOVE average, correct? So would you say that we should've signed Posey to the salary that the average player in the league makes?
Ima, have you followed Posey's season? There is nothing unique about what he did last night. He has been on a tear recently. In addition, nothing he did last night should have been a surprise to anybody in the Rocket entire organization, from captain down to cook. Posey's numbers for Last 5 Games in a ten-man rotation: Min 30.4 fg 27-53 - 51% 3pg 11-23 - 47.8% FT 17-20 - 85% Stl 1.8 Blk 0.8 TO 1.0 PF 2.8 OReb 1.8 DefR 3.4 TReb 5.2 Ast 1.6 Pts 16.4
