Please someone chant "FIRE RICK,FIRE RICK" at the next game.

Rick Carlisle!!

 

Rick Adelman is the PROBLEM! He has made poor choices of who to start. He has made poor rotation choices. He has not instituted even four plays that they can run consistently to score points. You mean out of training camp, pre-season and 24 regular season games that you can't teach your team four plays that work at least 60% of the time?

Almost all of the players are under achieving from what they were expected to do. That says that they are not just in a slump, but that a bigger team wide problem is going on, which on that scale is the coaches responsibility. So while Rick can't shoot, pass or hustle for them, he is charged with getting them ready to do all those things mentally. They don't have their heads into the game.

I say bring in Calvin Murphy as an assistant coach tomorrow and let him butt heads with Rick Adelman. If the team succeeds, great, if not Calvin will be ready to take over for next year!

Calvin Murphy UNDERSTANDS BASKETBALL AND PLAYERS better than anyone on our coaching staff. He can get this team to play hard, with heart and exploit their talents to be successful! Take my word for it!

 

Max,

JVG's style was NEVER going to win anything, so I wanted a change, still do....

That doesn't mean I think Rick Adelman is the answer, but I am willing to give him a chance to find out.

This is just stupid, JVG got himself fired and he deserved it, he never lead the team anywhere....1st round playoff busts are NOT good enough. Give Adelman some time to figure it out before you jump off a cliff.

JVG gone = better chance of actually winning in the playoffs

V-Span would have been a very good PG for this team. Guts, Grit, and a will to penetrate at all costs, and dish to open teamates, he would have developed into a very good player....nothing will ever change my mind on that, and JVG mismanaged him beyond belief.

Here we agree, I think JVG had a better way of dealing and motivating TMac......Adelman hasn't figured him out yet.

DD

 

Answer: NO. We are not Knick fans.

 

An island of sanity in an ocean "fan"aticism.

 

Ive seen enough of Ricky A the player on this team are in total disarray!

J.V.G atleast had control of his team at all times and they believed they could stop anybody on defense.

 

But 52 wins out of a banged up, talent-depleted team are. Where are the arguments for Kirk Snyder now? Where are the arguments for Novak now? Oh... right... the realizations that they're lacking in overall game are pretty damn clear when other coaches/management concur with the previous regime.

And, the only considerable first round "bust" was losing game 7 to a Utah team that in actuality had more talent, and presented severe matchup problems for our supposed biggest advantage against them (Yao).

And, right now, 52 wins would be a pipedream from this team... which has largely been injury free, and has more weapons. Making the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed won't be considered "progress", and missing them alltogether would be disastrous given our closing window of opportunity with Yao-T-mac.

Its not that I don't like Adelman... I just think he would have been better suited to going to an awful team that he can completely build up to fit his own system. Then again, I doubt he has the energy/passion for that anymore. Regardless, nobody should be confusing him for a Phil Jackson-type guy who can simply go to a good team with established stars, and push them over the edge.

Again... you simplify it as just that. Meanwhile, its largely acknowledged by people without the blinders that the Rockets have severely lacked talent outside of Yao and T-mac. JVG has acknowledged that, Morey acknowledged that... and their owner, meanwhile, is wondering why they can't play like the Suns.

Nothing will ever change that, eh? Not the fact that Spanoulis showed some of the worst prima-donna attitude to come from any non-first round NBA draft pick in the history of the game? Not the fact that you base your undying devotion to him on just a few national team games, and euro-player hype? Not the fact that he tucked his tail between his legs and FLED before even attempting to make a name for himself in the best professional league in the world (where supposedly the best players in the world should want to be?)

Whatever... it was all JVG's fault... he ruined V-span for the rest of the NBA as well... what a debacle!

Geez... you think management would want a guy coaching this team who could perhaps stay in touch with their best freaking player... the one guy who this team seriously can't win without. What's their record without him over the past 4 years? Isn't it challenging one of the all-time worst winning percentages?

Additionally, apparently everyone overestimated how putting Yao in the high post would cure cancer. All it does, right now, is make him a non-factor on several offensive possesions, and ruins whatever momentum he gets going. But yes... lets keep on agreeing that JVG turning Yao into a low-post dominating center, who had confidence, was developing cockiness ("you can't f***ing stop me"), and was continuing to improve each and every year was somehow "bad" for his career.

So, basically, we have a new coach who has no clue what the pulse of this team should be (uptempo? half-court? defensive? offensive?), has no idea how to motivate his best player, has instilled a gameplan that has caused our other star to regress, and has a host of other disgruntled/discombobulated "lesser" players who undoubtedly can't help this team's overall chemistry (Francis, James, Head).

Only a true homer would be blind enough to not recognize that these problems are SEVERE and potentially DISASTEROUS. The Rockets, as they currently are, are a ticking time bomb... and if it explodes, the long-term picture has a potential to be bleak as hell (T-mac demands trade, Yao wakes up and realizes he's not getting any younger, zero young talent to speak of, and a coach who certainly isn't in it for the long haul anyways).

 

Just because Adelman agrees with JVG does not make him right, aren't you the one saying he is not the right coach for the team?

Nice to see you have given up already, at 12-12, even though in Tmac's first year the team started out 6-11, and they won 51 games, did you cave in so easily then too?

You may be right there, I don't know, but I am willing to give Adelman a decent chance to make his way work.

The Rockets have talent, up and down their roster, that doesn't mean they fit chemistry wise though now does it? Sometimes it is simply adding one piece while subtracting another and it magically works. Clearly right now the team is confused, the pieces do not fit.

No, nothing will change, the guy was lied to, made fun of by his own coach who lied about the Tmac in Greece comment and then constantly put the guy down......

At least V-Span was a man and quit on the team in public rather than Tmac who is doing the passive aggressive thing and quitting on them during the games....give me a guy who is up front over a loser who sabatoges his teamates any day of the week.

V-Span left, yes, and I find that WEAK on his part, if I was Morey I would have NEVER let him leave, I would have forced his hand, and believe it or not, with V-Span playing the PG position THIS year, the Rockets would be a LOT better than 12-12.....he is exactly the kind of player this team desperatly needs.

You disagree, that is fine, it is as tired an argument as the JVG one is.....both are gone...but people keep tossing JVG out there like he was some kind of savior.....when he ****ING FAILED !!

And was fired - but people keep bringing him up like that is going to help this years team...what a joke.

It was not all JVG's fault, but the fact that he failed to adjust to other coaches adjustments in 2 playoff series WAS his fault.

The fact that JVG's teams could outwork teams in the regular season but fail miserably in the playoffs due to a lack of innovation was his fault. The fact that he ran off young budding talent for tired old broken down veterans...was his fault.

This team IS NOT DEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give Rick Adelman time....

DD

 

I'm saying the team had a talent problem last year... and in the process calling out all the people who said Snyder and Novak would have made a difference last year, and it was JVG's fault for not using them.

They needed upgrades... they still may need upgrade... but it verifies that the biggest problem with these teams in the playoffs remains talent, not coaching.

Not everyone can be like you... and declare "season's over" with every team you watch at some point in the season.

I'm frustrated, I don't like what I'm seeing, and its becoming clear that without drastic changes, they won't even improve on last year's record... which sucks because this wasn't supposed to be a transition year. And if Rick Adelman had that in mind, then the Rockets hired the wrong guy... they can't afford transition years.

Also, T-mac's first year featured such drastic changes that this team would need to get going... trading for David Wesley, Jon Barry, getting Bob Sura back, and T-mac improving immensely as a defender and team leader (JVG-induced).

Regardless, the "its early" argument is weak... especially since I heard none of that when this team started 6-1.

I would be more confident if I didn't see severe signs of regression ACROSS THE BOARD, in all aspects of play. Yao has regressed, T-mac has regressed, the defense has regressed, and none of the new acquisitions are fitting in.

The season is not that young anymore, and the Rockets don't play in the eastern conference... this situation deserves concern and action, rather than a "wait and see" approach.

The pieces seemed to fit when they were 6-1, didn't it? And while they have more talent than last year, the guys they have surrounding Yao and T-mac are still not on par with other teams' supporting casts. Bonzi is inconsistent, Francis is a shell of his former self, James is lost in lala land, Head is inconsistent, Brooks is a rookie (and your new annointed savior), and Scola is a rookie who will have growing pains.

And, I agree... chemistry is more of a concern to me than the talent. Good chemistry can mask lack of talent to a point... something the Rockets showed in 2004, and again last year. However, who was responsible for cultivating that chemistry the most? Their coach.

There you have it... DD is willing to go so far for his love of V-span in that he's spinning V-Span quitting on his NBA CAREER, and basically admitting he'll never be a good enough NBA player, to being a "man".

Then, you proceed to discuss conspiracy theories about T-mac quietly planning inadvertant sabotage. I will admit that its obvious T-mac is pissed off and becoming more and more disinterested at the progress of this team. If this continues, he either will approach management to fire the coach, or trade him... for which he won't be considered "the man".

He overachieved more than he should have. He should have never won 52 games last year to even come close to putting this team in the position to be favored in a first round playoff series for the first time since 1997. He should have never turned a 7'6 stick figure into a low-post cocky badass... who is now showing signs of regression after all that progress. He should have never gotten a team full of mediocre defenders to buy into the team concept of playing defense.

Those aren't marks of a "savior"... its simply pointing out the progress he made here when he first came to a team in dissaray...which is fast becoming undone (not built upon).

As I already said, I guess it was his fault for inspiring a beat-down/broken team to play their ass off to not only keep them in the playoff race, but to get them home-court advantage.

And once again, people start the whole "JVG was the GM!" argument (which he wasn't)... but even then, whoever was building the team at least had a vision/blueprint in mind (acquire hard-nosed defenders who can hit the open shot). Much better than what they're doing now (merely acquiring once-good players who don't fit any particular system well... not that we have a clear system anyways.)

I don't see anything on this current squad that would suggest this is true... now if they make changes, its no longer "this" team.

 

This thread is ridiculous and should be locked.

 

rox suck. go to sunsfans.com

 

Rick adelman has over 700 victories as a head coach,I believe he is 17th on the list in all time wins.He has taken 2 teams to NBA finals and he should have won the 2002 NBA finals had it not been for bogus calls.He took the kings to 8 consecutive playoffs and He will take these rockets to the playoffs as well and he will get out the first round but beyond that is up to the players to have some heart and leadership.



Van-gundy was with the rockets for 4 seasons and didn't get the team to the second round. when you look deep it may not have been van-gundy nor adelman rightnow in why this team doesn't live up to it's percieved bill. Maybe it's the players who can't deliver your results.You can bring any coach you want in here and I bet you they will have the same issues.You guy's talk about larry brown you bring larry in here and watch how many trades they make to fit the players that fit his particuluar style.




It isn't the coach you can be desperate and crazy and bring a calvin big mouth murphy in here all you want but the fact remains the rockets need another player or two to live up to these high expectations that are unrealistic.



Why would any GM hire calvin murphy to coach a NBA team is the question.

 

It might be time to get off of Rick Adelman's record throughout his career.

Look what Larry Brown accomplished in his career and then look how it turned out when he joined the Knicks.

What have you done lately, Rick?

 

The system is working for Yao and Tracy just like last season, van-gundy just got them to beat the teams that they were supposed to beat and yes we did win 52 games but still had a first round and out early vacation.


Yao is averaging 20 10 and 2.5 and mcgrady is in the top 5 in scoring. The rockets don't have the personnel for any coach right now.You bring larry brown,rick carlisle anyone and they would have the same headaches but we will just have to see because the season isn't over quite yet.Let's see at the all start break.


If we beat memphis,phila,toronto,sacramento the games that should be won then this wouldn't be a way out conversation.That's four sure wins that we just gave away.Along with a brutal schedule early on if we win those games then it wouldn't seem so bad. I jsut jope we get to the playoffs because come playoff time rick will showcase his skills,we just need to win pile up these wins and make the playoffs and if we do that I think rick will come through that first round.

 

It might be time to give him some freakin time and stop complaining and whining like T-mac and les. I think I positive attitude can get you places that you normally wouldn't go having a negative outlook. He's been with this team 24 games and to dog him out after 24 games is totally unfair.At least wait until all star break and if he's not wininng then you can cry and whine about firing him but until then does he get at least a grace period for a Team that hasn't won a playoff series in over a decade.



It's very obvious if you have common sense that it is something fundamentally wrong with the players that haven't been out the first round in the last 4 seaons.It wasn't jeff ,This core blew a 2 game series lead against the mavs heading back home. Last year game 7 at home the same core choked again.When is the responsibility going to be laid on the players instead of the coach every freakin year.




It's a broken record we need a new coach,we need a new coach.Maybe the problem isn't coaching, maybe the chant should be we need some new players.These players are the one slow to change and quick to the same failures.Rick wasn't here when the mavericks came back 2-0 and stole the series.Maybe the players need to be looked at with a microscope,maybe these guy's are failing us.

 

I believe RA is the one who does not know what to do. So called Princeton has not worked and will never work.

 

FIRE RICK!!!!!!
FIRE RICK!!!!!!
FIRE RICK!!!!!!
FIRE RICK!!!!!!
FIRE RICK!!!!!!
FIRE RICK!!!!!!

 

The coach scapegoat thing isn't working anymore. This was the same scapegoat when the rockets couldn't manufacture enough points and heart to close out the mavericks at home being up 2-0 or having game 7 on their home floor last season and choking in the clutch aginst the jazz.



Rick adleman has been with this rockets core for 24 games and 24 games doesn't make you responsibel for this teams ills that are way deeper on the beyond that surface.Rick adleman has basically inherited the same rockets team that has not had enough scoring ounch and has choked the last 4 seasoons.



Mike james was on the rockets team that blew the 2-0 lead to the mavericks
Steve francis was on the rockets team that lossed to the lakers in the first round that previous season.Bonzi wells was the rocket who quit on the squad last season.The only new face rick has had to work with is luis scola, the rest of the guy's are rockets scrubs from the past that have the same probelms that everyone has been complaining about for the last 4 seasons.



Rick isn't your problem, these ex cheap rockets players are your problem.No youth,no B-ball IQ,no athleticism. Jeff over achieved and did a great job at beating the wack teams but come playoff time playing the good teams it will still be the same problem of lack of talent.




The warriors have 11 losses,denver is about to lose again tonight,The jazz have lost 6 games in row,The hornets are struggling as well. The rockets will make the playoffs but the story is still teh same with the personnel on the squad.