Whatever broseph. What I was getting at is that it fish are not as fattening as beef, I enjoy the beef a lot more than fish, but I'd rather eat something with less fat/calories
On 1, a lot of people when they become vegetarian substitute meat dishes with cheese dishes - a hidden change that people don't realize. I have to make sure all my meals aren't just trading one fat/cholesterol source for another. Just a thought regarding the health side. Oh and whenever a girl is vegetarian, I can't help to say, "She doesn't eat meat, but she sure loves the bone"
Butthead: He said BONE.. uh huh huh huh huh Beavis: BONE! BONE! BONE! BONE!!!! Butthead: SHUT UP BEAVIS!!! Moe's gf is reading this dumb a$$!
Are chickens sentient? They do have a social system. A pecking order is not innate, but is learned. Hens will defend their young. This tells me that they either care for their young, or that they have a concept of territory. You are right, at some point you do have to draw the line. If we judge it by IQ, 4% of the clutchfans posters would have been eaten already. Personally, I’m not going to eat something that tries to fight for its life.
Of course, then there's the whole issue of our fish being filled with mercury, not to mention certain species being unsustainable... Interesting to note, to my knowledge, american beef and milk cattle have been domesticated for so long, to release them back into the wild would be unthinkable. Is it not reasonable, therefore, to suggest that our demand for beef and dairy is not only keeping cattle domesticated, but saving them from extinction, in a sense (I mean, there would still be Bison, but...)?
Without question she is a lot more socially conscious than I. She challenges my thinking, and I don't think thats a bad thing.
There should be a change in the laws of nature. Lions shouldn't bite the necks of other animals, and then procede to tear the flesh from their bones. It's not animal-mane. Carnivorous animals should learn to process plants.
Sometimes I see humanizing the emotion level of animals being equally absurd. Shouldnt eat something that defends itself, true. But when we go out of our way to help animals, not a one of them will tell us thank you" either. There's PLENTY things in the human condition thats very beastial and outright savage. Genetic disorders resulting in physical deformities, each and every pregnancy, deep flesh wounds. We just cant conceal ourselves from it all. Much of the human race would be wiped out if not for killing animals and using their furs to keep warm. Animals can eat each other freely, but we can't have in on a piece of that meat eating action? If lions could develop a farming system to cultivate the animals they tend to prey on, without having to go out their way to hunt for it all the time, they most certainly would.
This is where "people with a cause" lose me on many fronts. So many snags to arguments like these. Generalized causality, vague statistics. Judgmental, assuming, one-sided. Borderline propaganda. Stuff like that makes me resist the causes, even if I was once empathetic for better reasons. I won't argue about this specifically, but will only say that this is exactly how not to enlighten the populace. Meat is good, but I try to eat less of it these days, and vary the types... for health reasons, for humane reasons, for global reasons. Vegetarianism has always interested me, but it's a choice, and one I've never been compelled to agree with completely. Still, anyone who chooses and abides by such, I applaud them. Principles are a good thing. That said, I think educating people on how to enjoy a diet with less or no meat is a better approach than condemnation, degradation and propaganda. Just my two cents. Moe, I think it's a good thing that your lady is educating herself and making decisions that, she feels, better herself and the world, but I hope she appreciates you and your choices, whether she agrees with them or not.
in the words of the great Ari Gold, "even broccoli screams when you rip it out of the ground" tell your girl to "get a brain, morAn"..wait, don't do that, but tell her to read some stuff about cows neurological system and their pain sensory mechanism, then compare it to the way they're slaughtered, and she'd find out that they don't feel $h!t.. so by being all dramatic and "vegetariany", she's only harming herself and taking years off of her life because she refuses to get important amino acids ONLY available in Animal meat...for what? to make sure that the cow's feeling don't get hurt..
Not sure if this will help at all, but I had a similar experience way back in college (ca. 1989). I had this long-term girlfriend (of about 5 years) that became a vegetarian. She came up with similar arguments about the animals and choice and blah, blah, blah. I constantly countered with "humans are omnivores" and this and that. She felt better, but I felt fine. We butted heads over this for quite some time. Eventually, she said something along the lines of, "you have no foundation for arguing against vegetarianism because you've never even experienced it yourself." Obviously, in hindsight, this is a silly thing to say. However, I was pretty stubborned and was really in love with this girl. I said, "If I become a vegetarian for six months, will my arguments against it be valid?" She said yes and, somewhat reluctantly (but with much spite), I became a vegetarian. Over the next few months I slowly began to realize I felt better and had more energy. I even lost a bit of weight (without giving up by beer-swilling college life). Six months came and went... Three years later, I was driving home from work and had a craving for a Taco Bell crispy taco. I pulled into the Bell and ordered one. I ate it. I went back up to the counter and ordered two more. I felt great. I didn't return to a full-fledged meat diet instantly, though. Over the years I added more and more meat back into my diet. I settled on pork as my land-dwelling animal of choice (duh). As a seventh generation Texan, I have beef in my blood and continue to eat it pretty regularly. Chicken was actually the last thing I returned to after my stint as a vegetarian. To this day, I only eat it occasionally (and really only Popeye's or Chick-fil-a). Like I said, I'm not sure this story helps or not. I just wanted to let you know that you're not alone in this struggle. I hope everything works out for you and finalsbound (and I'm certain it will). Good luck, buddy.
Please tell me she's not calling eggs "chicken abortions." The main thing is do what you feel is right. But the fact is that vegetarians do have to compensate by taking supplements. Obviously humans are supposed to have some meat intake. Also realize that there will never be a day where wild chickens, pigs and cows are running freely around the U.S. Hell, it has been shown that domesticated pigs transform into wild boars when reintroduced into the wild (very cool episode I saw on the History Channel a couple years ago.) That said, if you are conflicted whatsoever, only eat organic, naturally raised animals. I would think for y'all that seems like the best solution. (And I can honestly say that naturally raised beef tastes the same or better.) And you can justify paying the higher prices for better meat by not eating it as often. Good luck.
"... there is no honest way to avoid certain moral questions." - David Foster Wallace You're first sentence is a giant contradiction. It's obvious that feel like your girlfriend is judging you. As a vegetarian myself, I can tell you that isn't the case for most of us. We understand that people eat meat, we think it's wrong, but it doesn't constantly pound in our brains every time we see a cold cut combo. You're not going to find a 'winning' argument in this one. I'm not trying to brag, but I've got a bunch of friends in the top philosophy programs and law schools in the country, and all of them admit that the best reason they can come up with for eating meat is "I really like it." It's not fair to your girlfriend for you to push your inability to defend your habit on her. Honor her choice and either learn to accept your reasons for eating meat, or make a change yourself.
so she's trying to make you a vegetraian too? if yes, just tell her its something that youve been use to for a long time, and u cant survive without it if no, just tell her that she could eat whatever she wants and u can eat whatever u want, just dont think about it if it doesnt help find a girl that eats meat
