RC, Where did u get those pics? Any other games shown for the newer systems, OMG, that looks too good to be true.
i have xbox and my roommate has ps2...play both all the time. ps2 has...well, like everyone says - more games. but i'm a sports game fanatic, and that's why i am 90% of the time playin the x-box. it's just better graphics plain and simple for sports games.
As GriffinFan said, it was from EA recently. I don't have a link either, but I think you could probably find it off of IGN/Gamespot if you go through the archives the past week or so. Basically, they said that they predict next-gen games to look like that (I remember it as all next-gen systems though, not just the PS3). There isn't too, too much out there on next-gen stuff. The only bright spots I can find are the Unreal Engine and the Reality Engine. Unreal Engine 3.0 is the latest game engine from Epic and it is look mighty good. Here are some pics: (in link form so I don't clutter up this thread with OT stuff) http://www.ferrago.com/image/lrg.aspx?id=3732_10 http://www.ferrago.com/image/lrg.aspx?id=3732_7 http://www.ferrago.com/image/lrg.aspx?id=3732_11 http://www.ferrago.com/image/lrg.aspx?id=3732_1 http://www.unrealtechnology.com/screens/p_bezerker.jpg http://www.gamersgallery.com/gallery/data/2389/1unreal7.jpg?1828 http://www.gamersgallery.com/gallery/data/2389/120040926054110_30big-med.jpg?5721 There's a video or two out there as well on all this, but I can't remember where it is. I think maybe Gamespy or some place like that had it. It even looked better in motion than in those pics. IIRC, DaDakota has/is used/using the engine, so perhaps he could comment more, although if there is a NDA involved, not much more besides a "It is awesome" comment can be made. The other good looking engine is from Artificial Studios and is called the Reality Engine. I could link to some pics, but they got the tech demo links off the site, so I'll just link you to them instead. The demos are VERY MUCH worth it, although they only got 2 out right now (they have more done, but it seems like they only show off other things to possible publishers). I was amazed by the video clips. http://www.artificialstudios.com/techdemos.php I did see some pics from an updated version of the Farcry engine (Crytek 1.3 IIRC) that looked pretty good as well lately, although I think both of the previous engines showed more promise. One thing to consider is that these graphics are pretty much coming from current-gen hardware and have not yet had the chance to work with the hardware that Xbox2/PS3/Revolution should have to offer, not to mention next-gen graphics cards (although I thought I read that the Unreal Engine stuff was running pretty slow, FPS wise). Some people, me included, expect, or I should say hope, that Xbox 2 should be easily able to put up graphics that I just posted with the power that the ATI R500 card it will get, maybe a little more. The PS3 could possibly even do a lot more if Cell is indeed awesome and Sony can get a somewhat decent GPU. No clue about the Revolution, but ATI is also doing their GPU and it will be coming out after Xbox2, making it seem as though it should at least be somewhat comparable to the power of Xbox2. At the moment, I can't think of any REAL pics of a next-gen game, although we could always guess by looking at maybe PS1 CGI or maybe even PS2 CGI. Personally, I find it hard to believe, even with all the power available, that the next Madden will look like that (unless you're talking about replays). Getting that level of detail applied to 22 players, referrees, players on the sideline, and then the people in the crowd would be a lot of work, not to mention the power drain needed to crunch out a good AI and awesome physics, among other things. I wouldn't mind having it though. So um...boy, have I gone off-topic.
You mean prettified, airbrushed CGI renders of what they want you to think it would look like - just like they did for PS2.
Two words: Emotion Engine Edit: check out this piece of hype from a while back .... should I throw out my PC yet? Can I get AOL on that thing?
Actually, I wouldn't even call it that much of a disappointment. The PS2 came out what...about 1.5 years before Xbox. In that amount of time, Microsoft could get together parts that come up with slightly better graphics than the PS2. Plus, IIRC, the PS2 had better graphics initially than really anything, PC included. The Xbox, on the other had, was bested by some games on the PC. For most part, I believe it is more the GPU of the PS2 that brings the performance down some since it can't pull off some of the things the Xbox and GC GPUs can do. IIRC, the EE can do like ~6.2 GFLOPS while the Xbox CPU can only do like half that. Cell seems to be a little different since it seems to have more uses than just that of a CPU in a game console. Sure, Sony could mislead us gamers about Cell, but so would IBM and Toshiba, who seem to have strong interests in Cell as well. Some prelimary numbers of Cell already seem amazing, especially the 4.6 Ghz clock speed. in-post edit: just saw your edit and don't feel like changing anything I've made so far. That article was correct in a way, sort of like I mentioned earlier with the PC and PS2 games comparison. Of course, Moore's Law came in and turned that around pretty quickly. It is difficult to keep up with a PC that can constantly be upgraded, meaning that, unless they can make more powerful variant of Cell (which is sort of a variant of the EE in a way) for next-next-gen, they'll have to come up with something else (although it seems like the modified Cell idea could work since it is scalable). Much like the EE, I do not really see Cell becoming like a general purpose processor which would be in all of our PC's in 3 years, although perhaps they could work on that. What Cell would be able to offer is power in the game, movie (Cell workstations for special effects), and TV (cell-powered TV's) industry. It may not happen quite like expected, but STI are hoping so since they've invested so much into it. Also, regarding the comment you made about the pics, it is true to some extent, although it seems as though the demos showing off the PS2 have now been surpassed in graphics by some of the recent games for the PS2. If only the Xbox could do the same with their Raven demo. But basically, I would tend to think that a lot of these things may be somewhat premature. I did read that someone supposedly from Tiburon had said that those pics were old and they expect much better things. I'm taking a wait and see it stance, although I am hoping. Man, I'm going so off-topic I don't even think I'm off-topic anymore...or am I? I don't think slcrocket intended for a discussion about Cell and next-gen consoles to relate to a question about what console he should get.
Yea, I remember reading that thing before I got my ps2, and I thought... "wow, this thing is going to be amazing!" Too bad the game programmers never figured out what a "gigaflop" was.
while i don't think that the next-gen football game is going to look as realistic as that madden pic, i have always wondered when we'd be playing a game that looked something like that.
Ah...so much to be addressed, so many foolish notions to be dismissed... 1. For your purposes, slcrocket, the XBOX is the best bet. Particularly since it actually has the game you want bundled with it. 2. Those are impressive screens that RC showed...and are supposed to be from the next generation XBOX and PS2. So any hype you guys are dismissing are related to both systems, not just Sony's 'promises'. 3. Regardless, until I see something that confirms otherwise, I rarely believe those common pre-release prettied-up screens - no matter what console they come from - are actually in-game. Anything else isn't all that impressive. 4. And that graphics/emotion engine thing is just an example of how Sony's hype regarding new technology rarely lives up to the finished product. Of course...this is the sort of thing all the companies do to some degree, so there you go. 5. Yeah, there are a lot more XBOX games now (the system had jack sh** for the first year or so)....and, just as the case with the PS2's big library, many of them are crap too. And finally: I've always thought being a fanboy of one system - and bashing other systems in some inane attempt to justify such - to be rather pathetic.
Yeah, the only ones I only somewhat believe are the Unreal Engine stuff and the Reality Engine stuff (since they show it running, although I'm not sure about how the in-game framerate fares). There was another games or two I could think of that put out some media of next-gen, but, IIRC, they were showing off CG trailers. Considering they probably didn't look too much different than CGI a few years ago, I don't normally give them much notice. While we're on this subject again, I can't believe I forgot to mention TES IV:Oblivion along with UE and RE earlier, which is strange since I will probably be more hyped about this game than the other two. This also will be a next-gen title and has shown some pics (no vids unfortunately, although this sounds weird given my statement a few sentences ago ). You can check a few out here: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/924363_20041105_screen001.jpg http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/924363_20041105_screen002.jpg http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/924363_20041105_screen003.jpg http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/924363_20041028_screen001.jpg http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/924363_20041023_screen001.jpg http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/924363_20041023_screen004.jpg Not quite as impressive as the other engines, but given the massive worlds that tend to be available in TES, this is definitly pretty awesome if it is true (I tend to believe these a little more given their history with graphics). At the moment, I can only think of one other next-gen game that I would probably somewhat believe since they had pics and videos, but I forgot the name of the game. I think it was Heavenly Sword or something like that, but I believe they got bought out since then and may have changed the name of the game. Again though, it wasn't really better than what has already been showed. Just a FYI mostly, but it seems like it was announced during the night that Sony and Nvidia will work together on the GPU for the PS3. I still have more to read up on to get a good idea of everything, but I would say that it would be likely that the Cells in the PS3 won't be wasted. Along with the power Cell should bring, the PS3 would also bring all the little "tricks," as I like to call them, that are used for texturing, shadowing, shading, along with some other things. IIRC, Nvidia also seems to do well with OpenGL, which the PS3 will use. Doesn't seem like they mentioned whether it will be a Cell-based GPU or if Nvidia will just design something themselves and put it in there. This is a interesting press release given the statement of the canceled NV50 a few days ago. Hopefully, this means that we can get much better graphics, at least from the PS3 anyways. I somewhat worried that Cell could have offered slightly more than a teraflop while Xbox 2 only offereed like ~75 GFLOPS, but the gap would be lessened with the beast ATI will put into it combined with a PS3 GPU that doesn't quite keep up Cell's power.
