I wish I could feel that we had a real chance, I just don't see it. Too few games to make up to much ground. That 3-11 opening really rocked us, as did the recent losses to both Minn. and Denver. I felt if we could win those games, we would have an outside chance. We didn't. Trade Shandon ? I don't Rudy brought him in here to turn around and trade him. More likely, Rogers, TMAss, ( of course), Bullard, Drew, Pig, and the inflatable bear.
Mo, a couple of things: 1)Trade Shandon and you can kiss your future in the free agent market goodbye. The guy is untouchable for certain reasons. 2)Why would you want to trade him? This is a guy who locked up Eddie Jones and Kobe Bryant in back to back games. We need more guys like him, not less. Shandon is a keeper. 3)Kandi's nice but I feel Cato is definitely capable. If the Clippers want to swap Kandi for Bullard and Drew, then they are very welcome. But Shandon isn't going anywhere (and rightfully so.) 4)Bryce Drew is the odd man out, not Shandon. He is a good point guard and has generated interest around the league (most notably from the Clips). Francis is too good to have a good backup. I would look for Drew to be traded before the deadline, if any deal at all is made. 5)Bullard and Tony Massenberg for Tracy McGrady!? Try Mobley and T-Mass...atleast that way Butch Carter won't hang up on you. Bullard and T-Mass couldnt even net you a draft pick, IMHO. 6)Nique? I take it you're kidding on this one. Isn't this guy somewhere in Europe? But yea, that's the way to get this youth movement moving along...sign Dominique Wilkins, who must be a fossil by now.
Moses: What's your obsession w/Kandi? - Man!! I have no obssession with him. But I think, he did not get in adequate room for his career. Rocks is the only team to give him another chance. As far as I can see, Cato seems to be playing better. - Sorry! I missed Cato. But he should be reserved for Twin Tower Play or defensive power forward. Barkley will retire, and Wilkins retired a couple of years ago. Hakeem might as well be retired... he likely won't play next year. - Barkeley did not submit his retirement paper yet. Wilkins is still playing in France. Hakeem's contract is still effecive for another year. If we, the fans stick to tese three cases, there are no neglecting this old man reserve frontcourt. I agree that we need a dominant force on the inside. -Thanks man Problem is... Kandi isn't a dominant force. -How do you estimate his ability just by his numbers? He's barely adequate, and I see no reason that he'll improve. -Wild guess lead to loss of god resource! Hakeem was more raw than Kandi, and played significantly better his rookie year. -That is because his first role was just supporting Ralph Sampson at that time. His famous dream shake was induced later. He dd improved too!! Let's trade Pig Miller for the #1 draft pick and pick up Kenyon Martin - Leave it to Rocks frontdesk.
I am definitely serious about that we need better player than Shandon although we give him up. Niq' and Chuckster's role is furnishing decent frontcourt line with combiningly 10-20 points, 10 rebs per a game. However, their main role is transfering the good traditions of 90's elite franchise to new generation. We should not forget their marquee plays with ease. Rocks are distinguished in this point from other lower-level teams. We should keep this tradition... and that is why we love this team.
You cannot trade Shandon unless it is completely under his terms (his wishes, his salary, etc.). Otherwise, we lose all the "nice and loyal organization" aura that we worked hard to develop and is so vital to signing future FAs (I think this is what thecabbage was alluding too). Besides, as was also said, he brings a lot of other things to the table than scoring.
I just suggested our best option. The best one is to ship off Shandon. If there still is another option to improve this franchise, we can take it. However, we do not know that is the best choice or not. The grade of choice always tends to be addressed later. By the way, are we Rockets fans or Shandon's followers ? Please give me a quick answer.
Yea, while we are it we might as well introduce the walking cane and wheelchair as our new logos. Yea, that's exactly what the Rockets need right now. Let's just abandon this rebuilding post-Hakeem effort and bring in the aging vets. Hell, while we're at it let's bring back Clyde to anchor the backcourt. Seriously man, we have something special going with these young kids, and for the first time since the Championship Days, I am actually having fun watching a Rockets game. We are the most exciting team in the league [or atleast up there], those are things you don't want to destroy, yet rather build upon. There's a reason why Charles Barkley is retired...his body has broken down and can no longer take any more. While Hakeem is still a dominant defensive force, I cringe when he touches the ball on offense. You don't know how many missed dunks I have counted from him this year. And Dominique? He's just Dominique. There's a reason he's not in the league anymore. His last stint with San Antonio was worse than bad, and he is the reason the Spurs were able to sink low enough to nab Tim Duncan. Let go of the past, and move on.
You did your job just based on your imagination. Thanks man!! But everybody here is suggesting constructive ideas based on his/her experience and scientific reasoning as well as hopeful probability that can be cast upon by sheer fan of Rocks.
Moses, you sucked it up with a smile huh? Obviously not. Lighten up and read closer before opening your piehole. I was just joking with you as quite a few people pointed out leave all jokes aside in this post. Now, rather than respond to all 8 of your posts in this topic, I'll choose the 3rd one. You want to ship out Shandon, Pig, Bullard and T-Mass and let Hakeem play his last season, bring Chuck back next season even though he made it crystal clear at the beginning of the season that this would be his last season and sign a WAY old D. Wilkins. Not only that, but you give 3 alternatives... Miner or Dumas for Drew. WHY? What would be the purpose? Neither of them are really that much better players. True, they may be more athletic, but Drew has more natural skill. I'll take natural talent over athleticism anyday. Natural ability will not fade as quickly as one's athletic ability. OK, you said get rid of Mobley, but offered no aquisition for him? You mentioned Shandon as a replacement. Hey, the guy has done a fine job this season. Cuttino knows the system better, but Shandon is learning and not making the mental mistakes that Cuttino makes REGULARLY. I almost fell out of my chair when I read this... -Francis out: Yes, only if Marbury or Iverson comes in!! Sorry, but I have to JOKE with you on this one....Moses, put down the crack pipe and step away!! Do we really need another shot happy guard? NO, I don't mean Francis, I mean Mobley. There isn't a shot that Iverson, Marbury OR Mobley does not like!! Why did I include Cuttino in that "elite" group? Because, you give Cuttino 18-26 shots a game(what Marbury and Iverson average repectively), he can put up the same 22-30 ppg. Check it out...Cuttino barely averages 12 shots a game and scores just under 15 ppg. He's taken 537 shots in 45 games while averaging 31.1 minutes per game. Iverson scores just under 31 ppg while taking a whopping 920 shots in just 35 games while averaging 40.4 mpg. Marbury is averaging almost 23 ppg while taking 808 shots in 44 games while averaging 39.5 mpg. Francis is averaging almost 19 ppg while only taking 628 shots in 42 games while averaging under 36 mpg. I'll take Francis and Mobley over those two ball hogs all day long. ------------------ The key for the Rockets is a winning attitude and mentality which can only be had by winning basketball games.
bottomline mo, do all we can to keep shandon,mobley, and francis together for a long time and go after kandi when he is a free agent. ------------------ johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis. dan roan: why!!!!! johnny red kerr:because he would forever be compared to michael jordan.
Shandon aint going nowhere im sure theres a "blink" deal with him and alexander to get a nice pay raise after his contract runs out. Since he is underpaid and besides if we did trade him no FA would want to come here anymore seeing that.
I've got to agree with the "Shandon isn't going anywhere" group. He's untouchable because of the contract he signed. He took significantly less to start in HOUSTON with an eye on a big contract three years down the road. Can't get rid of him.
Playoff race as of 2/2/2000: Good news: Minnesota got burned by Washington Seattle humiliated by the Bulls Bad news: Denver defeated Milwaukee Phoenix burned the Clips (by 36 points!!!) I also think Shandon is untouchable, due to 1. his willingless to take a lesser contract to come here; 2. his defensive-minded play, which most of the current Rockets lack. I love this guy way back in the days when he was in Utah. He may not be a superstar, but surely a star-level player in 2 or 3 years. [This message has been edited by Rocketability (edited February 03, 2000).]
MO said: Wasup? Pimp? Pimp said: Moses, you sucked it up with a smile huh? -MO said: I never smiled for you man!! Pimp Said: Obviously not. Lighten up and read closer before opening your piehole. -MO said: (Nodding...) Pimp said: I was just joking with you as quite a few people pointed out leave all jokes aside in this post. -MO said: I am listening..... Pimp said: Now, rather than respond to all 8 of your posts in this topic, I'll choose the 3rd one. -MO said: Seems quite better choice than you open your piehole . Pimp said: You want to ship out Shandon, Pig, Bullard and T-Mass and let Hakeem play his last season, bring Chuck back next season even though he made it crystal clear at the beginning of the season that this would be his last season and sign a WAY old D. Wilkins. -MO said: Yes. This seemingly absurd plan is quite noticeable. First of all, Hakeem is now facing his age and wave of change. He should hand the torch off to the next generation. That is why he should remain one more season, not to mention his contract. Second, Chuck's crystal clear retirement is only effective when he is satisfied with what he did for this season. Otherwise, he will eternally loose the bone of championship out of his bite. Next season will be his last chance to wear the ring since Clyde retired. He yearned for a excellent backcourt like his pastime in Phoenix. He is the last dog that will miss the bone of championship assorted with chunky meat of new backcourt(Francis and Mobley). Third, why the Niq'? the living fossil somewhere in Europe? There is very complex behind story about this. After he became free agent in 1996 from Celtics, Rocks front contacted with him to complement the loss of Horry(solidified frontcourt role and decent scoring). He denied good contract condition and flew to Europe because he was born in France and playing in Europe was his old dream. Ironically, he returened to Spurs in 1998, and Magic in 1999, showing that his leadership and scoring skill still can be an example for the acrobatic-minded, honky-tonky young players. That is why we need him for this transitional moment. Did you understand, Pimp ? Pimp said: Not only that, but you give 3 alternatives... -MO said: You totally misunderstood what I've said... Alternative meant a kind of possiblity that cannot happen under normal conditions. Pimp said: Miner or Dumas for Drew. WHY? What would be the purpose? Neither of them are really that much better players. True, they may be more athletic, but Drew has more natural skill. I'll take natural talent over athleticism anyday. Natural ability will not fade as quickly as one's athletic ability. -MO said: Oh...Man! Those two athletics are not existing in NBA now !!! The reason why I referred to these two dummies, is that Drew's apparently mediocre playing style cannot bring anything to Rocks. Therefore, we cannot sell him out with good prospect. Pimp said: OK, you said get rid of Mobley, but offered no aquisition for him? You mentioned Shandon as a replacement. Hey, the guy has done a fine job this season. Cuttino knows the system better, but Shandon is learning and not making the mental mistakes that Cuttino makes REGULARLY. -MO said: Well, I did not intend to furnish with any replacement of Modley. That is why we are not to trade him at all costs. He is still blooming and all his potential might be eminent at least two seasons later. However, his up-tempo styled play give us a positivism that we need to happily await that moment. But you dude , are still comparing Cat with Shandon... Stop it!! Mobley is Mobley, and Shandon is Shandon. The only difference between two of them, is that Mobley is a cruicial backcourt member for Rock's future, but Shandon might as well become an important factor for any other team in current status. We should ship him out in order to bring in another as much crucial inside player as Mobley. That is a kind of destiny and how this league goes along .... Pimp said: I almost fell out of my chair when I read this... -MO said: You deserve that accident!! Pimp said: Francis out, Yes, only if Marbury or Iverson comes in!! Sorry, but I have to JOKE with you on this one....Moses, put down the crack pipe and step away!! Do we really need another shot happy guard? NO, I don't mean Francis, I mean Mobley. There isn't a shot that Iverson, Marbury OR Mobley does not like!! -MO said: Do not bear a nuke between your legs, man !! That is a rethorics, and means that we could not trade Francis unless we are as much hallucinated as Pimp !! Pimp said: Why did I include Cuttino in that "elite" group? Because, you give Cuttino 18-26 shots a game(what Marbury and Iverson average repectively), he can put up the same 22-30 ppg. Check it out...Cuttino barely averages 12 shots a game and scores just under 15 ppg. He's taken 537 shots in 45 games while averaging 31.1 minutes per game. Iverson scores just under 31 ppg while taking a whopping 920 shots in just 35 games while averaging 40.4 mpg.Marbury is averaging almost 23 ppg while taking 808 shots in 44 games while averaging 39.5 mpg. Francis is averaging almost 19 ppg while only taking 628 shots in 42 games while averaging under 36 mpg.I'll take Francis and Mobley over those two ball hogs all day long. -MO said: Statistics is a weapon of mindless dunce ..... -Marshall Macruhan- [This message has been edited by Malone the Moses (edited February 03, 2000).]
This topic is for playoff pictures , not for next season's line-up!! Cmm guys !! let's chill out and jack off in other bbs rooms. [This message has been edited by Malone the Moses (edited February 03, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Malone the Moses (edited February 03, 2000).]
First of all Moses speak clearly and feel free to throw in a spell checker once in a while.... The buzz around the NBA is that Kandi is a bust..I agree...he is no olajuwon...the africa deal doesnt mean sh*t...hey my mom is from england does that make me like james bond? You must not realize what we did to get shandon here...It went on all last summer and there was some wink winks going on and the rockets will honor that and that will permit future free agent signings (its called business integrity- remember your first post here? you talked about business sense)and on top of that shandon is beginning to fit really well with the great running attack and uptempo fun to watch style we have and as cabbage stated he is a good defender (something you can never have enough of) All in all trading him this early in the game is one of the dumber things I have ever read here. Okay two years down the road if he isnt producing so on and so forth then we have to consider other options..we make a long term commitment and we keep it thats what we have done here with shandon..kinda like with quitten and we were prepared to honor it as a class organization and we bent over backwards to accomodate him etc...granted he tried to f**k us so we shipped him...he didnt have the class or business sense to do it the right way meanwhile we kept our dignity and respect(amongst NBA insiders especially) that we have worked so hard for as a city and organization... Now everyone is starting see the light with quitten and sh*t on him... call him classless and he is exposed just as LJ put it....There is a reason we will be on top again mo we are a championship organization.... Wilkins? Wasnt he in the dunk contest in like 84? How old is he? seriously how old is he? I read your profile you are in canada? that maybe explains the WHOLE deal here.....C'mon mo sack up and dont incite these people here with this kind of stuff....I only post when I have something to say.. not just garbage talk...and leave pimp alone...and he is a pimp... as a matter-of-fact he is setting me up with this girl Domino(is that her real name you think) and a real hottie at that..... Admins: sorry about the bad words I cant help it....
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Thanks Mark!! I will go out for a grab of Kilkenny. If you are offended by my raw expression, I will apologize you now. See you Later!! MO who always speaks with neutral love for Rockets!!
