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Players that fit Morey's philosophy

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OTMax, Feb 8, 2016.

  1. OTMax

    OTMax Member

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    Just want to see which players on our current team you guys think are suitable for the 3 point heavy offense, who had proven they could before coming here and outside of threes can hit their FTs and lay-ups consistently. Also the stretch big man / 4 is part of this, so which players on our roster fit that to a T?

    Honestly, outside of Beverley & D-Mo who both grew into (better) 3pt shooters, Ariza, Thornton and Harden (obviously), I don't see our players fitting that philosophy.

    TJ is not a good 3pt shooter nor finisher of FTs and lay-ups, Capela will never be a stretch big man, Harrell, Josh, Brewer is a horrible finisher and 3pt shooter (even when he hits it's like a miracle), Ty is not the greatest shooter, KJ, Terry is too old to finish anything outside of the occasional 3 pointer and close rang 2 but he's here for other reasons, Dwight obviously not but that's okay and Dekker was never that great in college but the jury is still out on him.

    Of course, you cannot have a perfect roster, but it seems that Morey was great in the early years of Adelman to get those role players and this time around it has seemed more problematic. He has still not drafted according to his philosophy, less actually than before, has gotten lucky with some players through trades and also seems rather just to go with who happens to be available instead of working hard to get the right players.

    What you guys think? Maybe I have a wrong impression of the philosophy so I'm gladly proven wrong on this. Please share what you know, because it seems a lot of people think Morey has not gotten the right players for this 'system' and according to my view, that is true, but maybe I am wrong and people who feel the same way can get a good view on this.
     
  2. SirIvyLeague

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    Most fit. It's just not practical how we get our shots. That's what needs to be changed

    We have too many contested 3s, and bogged down possessions.
     
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  3. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    Obviously, we don't have great 3 point shooters here. Not even one. There's like 10 of them in the NBA, 0 in Houston. We had DHo and DMo, but we were going to Brewers for 3. We should have gone more to post, since we didn't have good outside shooters. What could have been. R.I.P. Moreyball.
     
  4. SirIvyLeague

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    I honestly feel you put anybody in this system and their numbers dip.
     
  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    They're top 5 in scoring, 2nd in 3PM, offense isn't the problem. Morey hired Rick Adelman. Initially planned to extend JVG. IMO, he's not confined to a particular system. He's simply committed to finding good players.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    Those are volume stats not efficiency stats. They have a relative high volume of made shots but at the same time have a high volume of missed shots including three point shots(lead the league in that department) which generate long rebounds and opportunities for fast breaks for the opponent. Compound that with their high rate of turnovers which also lead to easy buckets for the opponents, the Rocket's 'high scoring offense' also generates a lot of points for the opponent.

    Offense is part of the problem.
     
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    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    They shoot a better 3% this year than they did last.

    They turn the ball over less this year than they did last year (per game).

    They had a good defense last year. Bad defense this year......
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    They are still near the bottom of the league in 3pters missed and turnovers per game. Maybe those glaring deficiencies have caught up with them?

    Being top 5 in scoring doesn't mean a team is a good offensive team. It can also mean they just take a lot of attempts.

    If offense isn't a problem, does that mean you are content with this team being 28th in turnovers? What, turnovers aren't a problem anymore?
     
  10. Ekiu

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    Jared Dudley!
    Khris Middleton
    Jeff Teague

    Omri & Mirza
     
  11. joeson332

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    Steph Curry and Draymond Green for James Harden and Dwight Howard right now. Do it.
     
  12. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    Harden missed more shots this season than any other Rocket has taken. He shoots 42%. If Harden was a team, he'd shoot worse than 29 NBA teams. And he shoots more than any other Rocket. Only 2 guys shoot more in the NBA than Harden. Dude's shooting 42%, shoots 3rds most in NBA, is pathetic on defense, why do you like him THAT much? Just because sometimes he'll go for 50 and won't turn the ball over 10 times?
     
  13. FTW Rockets FTW

    FTW Rockets FTW Contributing Member

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    How about Morey hire an established coach and Maury fit into the coach's philosophy?
     
  14. Os Trigonum

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    I hear Derek Fisher is available. :grin:
     
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    Repped. Posted an article with comprehensive and in depth analysis on the subject on another thread. Our offence with the type of shots we are taking is horrendous. It should have been much much better.
     
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    Anthony Morrow
    Ryan Anderson
    Jeff Teague
    Kyle Korver
    Douggy McBuckets
    Tony Snell
    Meyers Leonard
    Serge Ibaka
    Mike Conley
    Kyle Lowry
    Lou Williams maybe
    Jae Crowder
    Kelly Olynyk (I really want him here)
    Porzingoat
    Tobias Harris
    Evan Fournier
    Damian Lillard
    Kyrie Irving
    Nick Batum
    Kevin Durant
    Lamarcus Aldridge
    Anthony Davis
    Rodney Hood
    Will Barton as of late
    Randy Foye
    Orange Juice Mayonnaise
    Reggie Jackson can shoot now.
    Joe Johnson
    anybody on the warriors really.
    Patty Mills
    Ersan Illyasova
    Boban Marjonavich would be awesome
    Al Horford
    Paul Millsap
    Kent Bazemore
    Thabo Sefolosha
    Avery Bradley
    J Sully
    Bobby Portis
    Jordan Hill
    Goran Dragic
    Courtney Lee
    Khris Middleton
    Channing Frye
    Demarre Carroll
    Jared Dudley
    Wilson Chandler
    JJ Redick
    Nmenjasargaergaerg Bjelica
    KAT
    Eric Gordon
    CJ Mccollum
    Allen Crabbe
    PJ Tucker
    Markieff Morris
    Demarcus Cousins
    Darren Collison
    Ben Mclemore
    Kawhi Leonard
    Danny Green
    David West
    Garrett Temple
    all of these players would be good additions; obviously some less attainable than others
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    Why does everyone just focus on "offensive philosophy"?

    Morey is looking for players that fit on both sides. There's a reason why a lot of our players can play/guard multiple positions and have length and athleticism. It's not all about being able to hit 3 pts at 40% and being good in the piant.
     
  18. RocketsFido

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    Need a bigger D if u wanna get the job done.
     
  19. seeingred

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    First, i think the Rockets don't require their Centers to stretch the floor or shoot FT's well. They're looking for defense, rebounding and finishing at the rim. Chuck Hayes, Dalembert, Asik, Howard, and Capela all fit at least 1 of those 3. But i agree with the idea that the coaches usually have a big say i philosophy with regards to "what skills should our players have?"

    Looking at his moves, we could guess that Morey likes guys who can shoot the 3, are on good contracts, and have high potential (think of all the former top 10 draft picks we've traded for). Only 1 of those is an actual basketball skill.
     
  20. bratna8

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    Who are the tops players in TOs? Count them in.
     
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