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Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Commodore, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. SWTsig

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    BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES BABIES
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    Enough babies for you? If you care so much about BABIES I take it you've already adopted several dozen, yes? One can only assume that someone - like yourself - who cares about children as much as you - even the 8 week old unborn couldn't live outside the womb FETUSES that you seem to have a perverse affinity towards - who is clearly so compassionate about all the precious BABIES in the world - would surely be supportive of extreme social welfare to protect all the precious but unwanted BABIES in the world.

    You're a real hero!
     
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  2. SF3isBack!!

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    The truth is doctors don't know when life starts. I am not one who agrees with abortion in my own family and me and my family should be able to make our choices if the situation arose, we all agree abortion is wrong. But women should be free to make their own choices especially if they were raped or their lives might be in danger from being pregnant. So that leaves the fact that no matter what abortions are needed and if those aborted parts could help someone else live I see nothing wrong with that. It's not a pretty thing but life is often ugly, living in the civilized world sometimes leaves us blind to the true brutal nature of life.
     
  3. durvasa

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    I understand why some people would be outraged over near-term abortions.

    But once the abortion is already done, what is wrong with donating the fetal tissue for medical research?
     
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  4. Commodore

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    creates a financial incentive to 1) perform abortions in general 2) let the child gestate longer before killing it 3) alter the procedure to preserve the organs
     
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    PP has been clear that the financial considerations only cover costs relating to the transport of fetal tissue. If it were otherwise they would be outside the law, but there is no conclusive evidence to show that they are. You started with a loaded premise that has failed.

    the mother receives no payment and the procedure only occurs after consent from a lawful abortion.

    And of course, with all of these financial incentives, the abortion rate being at historic lows must be an abject market failure.

    You're shooting your own foot trying to scrape something out of this non-story. You went from cries of illegality and stripping PP from their federal funding to some notion that covering costs for fetal tissue transport is immoral--which has placed you in a strange position where you always celebrate the virtue of market mechanics no matter the gory costs yet impugn a process that saves valuable tissue.

    Tissue that has helped more than halve the infant mortality rate in America, tissue that would not be prevelant if abortions were performed in some back-alley where all of your concerns about process would be thrown out the window.
     
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  6. Commodore

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    The incentives exist irrespective of whether they are exploited.

    That's what an investigation will determine.

    Nucatola herself says the clinics are happy to do better than breaking even.

    PP: I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they’re a non-profit, they just don’t want to—they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that. Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is a just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.

    Yeah those Mengle-like "for the greater" good arguments don't do much for me.

    We just have a difference of opinion. I think crushing of the skull with forceps is killing a child, whether it's inside or outside the womb (an arbitrary distinction that has nothing to do with the biological composition of the child, and everything to do with whether you can see it die).
     
  7. Remii

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    I have a question gentleman (and Ladies)...

    Since a woman has the right to give up her parental rights by aborting a child. If a man wants a woman to have an abortion and she chooses not to... Why should he be held responsible for financial support...?
     
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    Your quote says "every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient." Quite a business operation here.

    Accepting shoddy editing and context at first glance doesn't make for a high standard of evidence, I suppose.

    And I think you don't know anything about medicine and biology so you've resorted to desperate moral pandering. If you really think a fetus inside the womb is no different than a child outside of it biologically, well you can save your nonsense like this--

    for people who want to argue in platitudes and Godwin. Here's an example:

    You spent so much time decrying financial mechanisms for a non-profit that "saved pennies to give pennies to other patients" and donated fetal tissue from lawful, safe abortions that the next time you argue the market is the reason why 45,000 uninsured patients a year should die or that a war needs to be started for the "greater good" against Iran, you're gonna look like a real Nazi.
     
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    This is a manufactured controversy. There is no financial incentive for the patients nor planned parenthood. No one is getting paid here. It's embarrassing that conservatives attack this as a financial incentive yet support things like Citizen's United.
     
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    The money goes somewhere. When you consider how many abortions there are annually times, let's say $25 to $50 per "donation," that sum provides a serious incentive to kill more babies.
     
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    Thank you. I try to address wrongs when I see them.
     
  12. Commodore

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    more videos coming, this was a multi-year undercover operation

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-vi...nthood-abortion-practices-selling-body-parts/

    These guys learned from the best, Breitbart. Let the first video simmer, let them hang themselves with it. Then release something even more damning.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
  14. Commodore

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    she's on tape saying they get paid enough to break even or better
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    She also specifically says that PP is "non-profit," which is the reason they work towards breaking even.

    Of course, the unedited tapes also reveal that this is nothing more than a selectively edited hit piece, the allegations of "selling" fetal tissue are completely inaccurate, but that has never mattered to conservatives as long as the lie fits their narrative, as it did with the O'Keefe Acorn idiocy.
     
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    Then why are abortion rates decreasing? If there were truly a monetary incentive to "kill more babies," wouldn't we be seeing an increase in dead babies? It's really strange that this "incentive" has had the absolute opposite effect as far as abortion rates go.

    Pro-life maniacs (yes, Thumbs, you are a maniac) are incapable of examining this issue in reality. It's quite remarkable.
     
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    In case you missed it the first time.
     
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    it goes here:

    serious incentive to who? the mother who has to consent? the non-for-profit organization that is covering the costs of fetal transport? the research scienticts who have to pay out an amount?

    It costs $4,000 per day on average of hospital care.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/high-cost-of-medical-procedures-in-the-us/

    will somebody allege that this is a significant incentive for doctors to knock out patients cold and collect checks?
     
  20. Amiga

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    People get pregnant, to kill baby for profit :eek: :eek: :eek:
     

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