Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

What more delusional than personally being against abortion (ask yourself why you are against it) but being okay with allowing it by law (what are they doing that is different?). Geez, Louise!

 

what is more delusional than saying you're against abortion and not supporting policies that have been correlated with reduced abortion?

 

No. It's just a convenient case to point out that it is not foolproof. Seven is better than one, I grant you that. To me, those seven cases are pretty immaterial. The callous attitude toward these children is what I want exposed.

What lies inspired him? Does PP now have nothing to do with abortion?

My policies would decrease maternal death and infant mortalilty... if people will take care of their ****. Oh, you are uncomfortable asking people to do that...

You kill off the bat and I lose the moral high-ground. People: take care of your own **** and quit throwing it onto others. Abortion is bad: even those who want to allow it, comfort themselves by murmuring about how bad it is, but they don't have the courage to stand against it.

Some 60 million dead by sacrifice, none of it voluntary. Honestly, what is more logical than "take care of your own ****" and "don't kill innocent children." That's pretty basic.

 

so...the topic of this thread is immaterial to you, why are you still posting here?

The lies about PP "selling aborted baby parts". You know, exactly what Robert Dear referenced when he said "no more baby parts!".

Lastly, the world doesn't work like that. Is your solution to war going around to world governments and saying "take care of your s***, don't kill innocents"?

The truth of the matter is, you just want to get as far as you can with your rhetoric. You won't actually lift an arm or a dime to solve this issue. That's fine, but don't pretend you have the "moral high ground" because you can spend 30 minutes a day of talk maligning doctors, scientists, and medical practicioners who spend their entire lives saving lives. Don't pretend you're "open-minded" when factual evidence shows up to contradict your position so you assert that you never cared about it in the first place.

 

If I actually believed that actual babies were ripped apart and their parts sold and LE wasn't doing anything about it, I myself would go in and shoot up the place.

 

First, my personal belief isn't on solid ground. I recognize that it's a belief and based on a good amount of faith.

With that said, it's tough, but not that difficult. My personal belief is never above causing more suffering. When data show that pushing my personal belief onto all would likely cause more abortion, not less and on top of that, causes pain and suffering to families and women, it's not a difficult choice.

 

It's just not everything to me that it is to you-- because it serves your purpose. You want to let a few minor court cases close the door on this topic. Are you trying to say that all these videos of PP employees openly talking about exchanging baby parts for money have been staged?

Every individual has the power to make that decision. It's not an institutional thing.

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Is there any doubt that a baby suffers in an abortion? There are vast amounts of evidence that women choosing abortion suffer also in the aftermath. Any suffering that a woman suffers from carrying a pregnancy through to term is predicated on her not accepting responsibility for her actions.

Where else in the world is that okay?

 

There is no baby to suffer.

How lovely you have care for women suffering by putting them in jail afterward.

I'll repeat the below.

 

Keep repeating this to yourself to believe its true. I'm sure it eases your mind, until the day you finally realize the truth. And that's when it will hit you HARD.

 

Of course you have no evidence that that is no baby. You're building on shifting sands there. You have defined the child out of its humanity. How easy was that?!! Now you can sleep well, I suppose.

IF these women "suffer" through their pregnancy that is by their own 1) doing and 2) attitude. Better that than a baby die for their lack of fortitude.

 

I think your side might have an easier time if they would stop putting out things that aren't true like what started this thread. It makes it really difficult.

 

Really? This battle for children's lives has been going on for 40 years and this 6 month old controversy is the real hindrance? I don't think so. This battle is for the hearts and minds of those who are making babies. It's simple. It's straight-forward.

And I have to ask the question: what is so untrue about these videos. The biggest complaint I've heard is about the inaccurate Fiorina claim about what she saw on the video. Anyone knows that there are not going to be videos made of these brutal abortions, so they just so something representative of the age of the child whose demise was being described... and that upsets the apple cart? Hardly.

Did these PP reps not say the things they were caught saying? Are they not PP reps at all? Would "selling at cost" of storage and transportation admonish them for the horrors the committed?

 

Yet you want to close one of the largest and best providers of birth control, neo-natal care, and health information for people making babies? Where only about 3% of the services provided are abortions?

The single largest way to eliminate unwanted pregnancies, and by default abortions, is not to limit a persons access to birth control, neo-natal care, and health information by attacking Planned Parenthood.

I understand your emotional stance, but demonizing Planned Parenthood is misguided.

 

You 100% claim start of conception as a baby as if there is evidence it is a baby. Where is your evidence and what is it base on?

 

Did you watch the thirty minute video I posted-- an interview with the former director of a PP clinic? She says they exist to create unwanted pregnancies through the distribution of contraceptives in order to generate abortion revenue?

Is it really beyond the pale for you guys to imagine that PP puts a public good foot forward in order to carry out a less appealing agenda?

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/planned-parenthoods-services/


"The fact is, no one can say for sure what the percentage (of pregnancy services) is. The 94 percent figure doesn’t come from Planned Parenthood, which says it doesn’t track the total number of pregnant women it serves, or all of the services provided to them. “Pregnancy services” isn’t even listed as a category in its 2013-2014 annual report.
The figure comes from adding together the numbers Planned Parenthood did provide for its abortion procedures (327,653), prenatal services (18,684) and adoption referrals (1,880), and then dividing the number of abortions by that cumulative figure (348,217)."

Seems like some measure of a dishonest agenda here, hiding behind do-gooder claims.

 

I'm not even really claiming that. I just know that human babies are delivered dead or alive every time.

Best to err on the side of caution.

 

Did a whiff of the truth shut them up?

 

lol, I was going to deconstruct your lies, illogic, and shame morality one-by-one, but I'm a bit busy with major campaigns today and tommorow for one of my clients. Wait a while longer and it'll come.

Let me just point out that you have no shame though: you think seven state investigations on the central premise of this thread are not a "whiff" of truth? You're hijacking this thread and you have no idea what you're talking about if that's the case.

as for your finely attuned sense of morality, all I see is you slamming others while your ideology refuses to allow for money that would reduce abortion rates--but would allow for plenty of punishment for those bad, awful women. You'd do everything for fetuses, except pay a cent of tax dollars.

Talk is cheap, and you're full of it. If you wanted to do something ACTUALLY useful:

http://www.marchofdimes.org/

 

Have you not followed this debate at all?

You don't seem to understand the rule of law, science, medicine or basic statistics.

(The answer is that selling at cost is legal. Selling for a profit is illegal. Your rebuttal will be "omg this is the new halocaust" without understanding fetal tissue transfer)