Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

He doesn't have any opinions, he is of the spoon fed variety....

 

On behalf of the masses of 40+YO women in this forum: Thank you.

 

Everything you said on the original topic has, up to now, been completely disproven. You're so open-minded you're now going to bring up OJ and dispute the rule of law to escape that fact?

And yes, when people deceive and lie, and use rhetoric devoid of facts, that has consequences. The Colorado Springs shooter is the clearest terrorist case America has seen. The guy literally blurted out in court that "he was a warrior for the babies (???)". Politically motivated violence doesn't get clearer than that. You can allege that he had mental issues, but it is very clear what his spark for violence was and the rhetoric he must have absorbed. Claim the consequences of your rhetoric.

Your shame-based view on policy, rooted in nothing but illogic, will slowly fade with time. The world will be a better place for it, and certainly, nobody could blame you for that. It will largely be the responsibility of the doctors and scientists you malign despite doing nothing of consequence to address the issue.

 

What I mean is that if you choose sexual activity, be prepared to be a parent. Don't shove your reluctance or cowardice off on the baby by terminating its life.

Congratulations on him. I have had the privilege of raising four kids and now have a grand-daughter

 

Misinformation is not gender-specific. :grin:

 

So you r-e-a-l-l-y think OJ didn't do it?

Dear is just a not job. If you want to call him a terrorist and lump his isolated threat in with the real looming threat we face from ISIS infiltrators and sympathizers go ahead. I think that is a stupid move.

Dear should be executed next month. Case closed.

You death-based view on solutions for irresponsible behavior is a scourge on us all. You would pick on the weak and defenseless. Tell us again how that is going to make the world a better place? To quote: "what world do you live in?"

BTW, I said nothing about shame. My whole message is taking responsibility for your actions. Only you can construe that into shame...

Look at peleincubus' video. Every child killed in utero would have been as joyful as that little boy dancing to SpongeBob.... except someone denied them the chance.

 

Yeah the whole personal responsibility thing is cute but what about rape? Woman supposed to carry to term because she was responsible for her rape? What about when the pregnancy is a danger to the mothers life? Oh well?

 

obviously if they didn't dress suggestively they wouldn't have been raped. they choose to have a child as soon as they decided to wear a dress that shows their ankles. take some responsibility ... sheesh.

 

I always forget the ankles doctrine.

 

This might be slightly off topic but it's related to PP, the recent terrorist attack, and people like Carly Fiorina.

As a moral agent, If I genuinely believed that PP is murdering babies, tearing them apart and selling their parts for profit, I myself would storm a PP and attempt to stop them with deadly force. I'm sorry, but if there is a building down the street from me that is murdering babies and tearing them apart and selling them for profit, ya I'm going to ****ing do something about it.

Carly Fiorina can't have it both ways. She can't propagate rhetoric that explicitly states that PP is murdering babies, tearing them apart and selling them for profit and then at the same time state that she condemns the PP shooter. I'm sorry, if you honestly believed your rhetoric, you should believe that the PP shooter was a hero. In what world is deadly force to save babies not acceptable?

That just shows me that GOP shills like her don't ACTUALLY believe their rhetoric. And yes, if some mullah's rhetoric about the evil U.S. empire is partly responsible for violent Islamic extremism, Carly Fiorina type rhetoric is responsible for PP attacks.

 

Did you even read what I wrote? I talked about taking responsibility for choices. How does being raped relate to that? Dressing seductively? Find anywhere where I've implied that here.

You guys have to fight unfair and be deceptive, really?

Exempting rape is a better line than first-trimester choice, even though the baby is in no way responsible for the rape. I've posted tender stories on here of women who kept children who were the product of rape. It's possible and has been done, so don't ham-handedly discount it.

We've been over the mother's health issue before. That IS a choice. Although if you watch the long video I posted, you'll see where the former clinic owner/operator talks about how they manipulated that question about the mother's health.

Geez, we live in a world that wants to eschew personal responsibility, apparently. I'm not against helping or asking for help, but taking another life to solve your own "problem" is ridiculous.

 

"Some women are fine with carrying a fetus to term conceived through rape, therefor all women have the emotional ability to do so." is basically your argument.

 

We have rule of law. Can you provide a link where Fiorina tells ANYONE to go kill ANYONE who supports PP? I didn't think so. I've seen lots of mullahs do that though. It's ridiculous for you to compare them.

I don't know about all the victims of Dear but the campus police officer/minister that was killed was on the side of those innocent babies. That's why we have rule of law. Right now the law is trampling on the lives of innocent children which is why some are standing against it.

 

My primary argument is that the child conceived is not a criminal. My secondary argument is to point up to those who say it is impossible and/or inconceivable that is is possible and some have done it.

We are so quick to offer up deceptively the warm and fuzzy abortion option that many don't even seriously consider the alternative.

 

If I told you a toddler is being ripped to shreds RIGHT NOW right next door and you know that local law enforcement will do nothing about it because it's technically legal, as a moral agent you would do nothing about it?

You are a disgusting monster if you don't act.

The cognitive dissonance that you possess is flat out ridiculous. To you, an explicit command to kill is the only type of rhetoric that can influence an individual to commit murder. Stating that buildings across America are tearing up babies and selling their parts and law enforcement won't do anything about it... No, that rhetoric is fine. That won't influence someone to attack PP.

Are you that ****ing dense?

You can't have it both ways giddyup. You can't believe in Fiorina's rhetoric that PP is tearing apart babies and selling their parts and then at the same time believe that the PP shooter was in the wrong. He believed he was stopping people from ripping apart babies. How is his INTENT morally reprehensible if Fiorina's rhetoric is true?

 

Your situation are diametrically opposed.

Certainly if I saw a destructive action on an innocent person I would intercede, but you are trying to equate that situation to Dear's where he didn't have any idea who he was shooting and, in fact, shot innocent people.

Are YOU that dense? Dear shot innocent people.

You guys are something. First, you criticize us for our positions as being impositions then you criticize us for not going medieval on the innocent public in a blind rage.

I'm just going to stay in my lane and insist upon the right to life of the innocent children in utero.

 

So basically Dear didn't plan out his actions well enough. That's your freaking retort? Let's discuss his INTENT.

Fiorina's and your rhetoric both explicitly state that a fetus's life is as precious as a toddler's, a teenager's, an adult's etc.

Fiorina is an intelligent person. She very well knows that there are simple minded individuals that will take her rhetoric as "PEOPLE ARE RIPPING BABIES APART AND NO ONE IS STOPPING THEM! IT'S MY GOD GIVEN DUTY TO STOP THIS ATROCITY!". She knows this yet she has no remorse for her rhetoric.

Please elaborate how Dear's intent, if Fiorina's rhetoric that PP is ripping apart humans and selling their parts is true, is morally reprehensible. Fiorina told him that these places are shredding babies apart. As a moral agent that whole heartily believes this why wouldn't you take action?

You could make a Hollywood movie where a dystopian government harvests the organs of healthy teenagers, killing them in the process and as a result committing mass genocide, and a rag tag group of freedom fighters state "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" and go around attack these organ harvesting centers and in the process, they killed employees of the harvesting centers. Who do you think the protagonist of this story is?

 

Dear probably couldn't even tell you who Carly Fiorina is...

You're going postal here and you woefully underestimate the pro-Life crowd. Sure you have your Dears, but how often does someone act out like that? Dear shot innocent people. End of story.

Are you trying to incite a civil war over right to life? Do you really just want to point fingers at right to lifers and call them hypocrites for not standing firm enough in their beliefs so as to take the law into their own hands?

Since you asked, I think Tom Cruise could carry that off that role nicely. Bruce Willis is too old.

 

1) You really think the judicial system is a scam based on one case?

2) Robert Dear may have been a lunatic, but he was inspired by lies. Just remember that your lies have consequences.

3) I'm not the one supporting illogical policies that would increase maternal deaths and infant mortality while being correlated with higher abortion rates. If you want to pin a death-based view on solutions, maybe you should look at who is maligning the doctors and scientists who work every day to save lives.

Let's face it: you lost all of the policy and moral high ground when you refused to dedicate one cent of your tax dollars to increasing the socioeconomic status of women raising families (coorelated with reduced abortion rates) but implied you would be alright with spending $21,000 per head to imprison said women. Your entire argument has become: "abortion is bad, SHAME SHAME SHAME". None of what you said has anything to do with ACTUALLY reducing abortion rates. Your shame-based logic is utterly devoid of benefit for anybody, including the fetuses you subject to increased abortion rates by refusing to pay a cent in tax dollars--unless it is to imprison their mothers.

I live in the world where science and logical policy has saved millions of lives. Why don't you join me?

 

Those being spoon fed eventually have some inkling of being spoon fed. I think he might be doing the spoon fed to himself. An extreme delusional place to be and quite impossible to break out.