Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

Again, interesting. There is absolutely no consensus in Detroit as to who is the best player (the usual sayings as far as I can tell are Sheed is the most talented, Billups is the most important, Tay is the most versatile, Rip is the most consistent, and McDyess is... uh, the 5th starter).

Dumars has said that he values consistency before (something like he'd rather have a guy that gave you 15 every night than a guy that gave you 25 one night and 10 the next), so maybe he agrees with that. My opinion is he's the most replaceable (well, I guess technically that Billups is the most replaceable because we already have his replacement).

 

JUST LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!! All the way baby!!!!!!!

 

Based on talent alone, Wallace is head and shoulders above his teammates but you can't tell what you'll be getting with him (almost like Maxwell in his heyday). Rip Hamilton can be easily replaced like you said. His scoring primary comes from curls and screens but he does it so well and the Pistons needs that dependable scorer. 'Sheed can give you 30 one night and 12 the next, Billups has his own disappearing act, Prince is inconsistent....

Man you know that team would kill.

*All-Star center that has low post presence and plays defense
*Power forward that has a mid-range game and rebounds fairly well
*Small forward who's a defensive stopper and is more consistent offensively than Battier
*Star shooting guard that can score and play shut down defense
*All-Star point guard who can run the ship and can hit clutch shots

 

Billups is very good but does go in lulls of terrible shooting. Prince is most effective because his D. When you have Battier there's really no point to having Prince. I think prince is the better player overall but to get Prince we need to get rid of Battier because having them both is redundant.

To put it simply a lineup of Billups, Prince, Battier, Scola, Yao just doesn't work. You got one legit scorer and then four who are capable of scoring a lot but it comes in flurries. You can't have a contending team that has only one consistent 20 a night scorer because in the playoffs if you have one legit scorer a team can shut him down.

 

rip and chauncey sounds really appealing to me.

even though it was a few years ago the pistons proved you don't need a superstar on the team to win a championship...in our case one that has never been out of the first round

 

Fact is Billups + Prince is GREAT.

Prince is taller, better shooter than Batman.

We can easily turn around and get a legit 2, for BJax and Batman that would be a KILLER lineup.

Yao/Deke
Scola/Landry/Hayes/Harris
Prince/Novak/Landry
Legit 2*/Head/Draft Pick?
Billups/Rafer^/Brooks

*Some free agents who I am sure are up to be traded:
Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Monta (prob too small), Azubuke, Pietrus, Artest

*Some people talks about being in trades:
Turkaglu, can't really think of anyone else.

^May be traded also with now Billups + Brooks, but probably not.

I think getting rid of TMac accomplishes 2 things and hurts us on 1:
Accomplishes:
1) 2 players that will give us 75+ games (oh god do we need this badly)
2) Gives us A LOT more depth and role players around Yao, which we don't have cap space to sign anyone that good.

Hurts:
1) Gets rid of TMac who IF HEALTHY can be just as good as anyone in the NBA, but TMac has been avging around 45-50 games a year for a while and honestly its really hard to bank on that.

I'd take this trade personally, but thats just my opinion.

 

I personally don't see legitimacy of this trade from Detroit's standpoint, unless they really want to get rid of Chauncey's contract for future FA purposes. But if something like this went down, I'd definitely be happy.

However, it's kind of ironic that should this trade go down, and Morey flips around to trade Battier/spare parts for a legit 2-guard, the Rockets would essentially become the Pistons. That is, 5 great starters but light on the "superstars".

And before anyone mentions Yao as a superstar, I think this type of lineup is just perfect to limit Yao's minutes and wear&tear on the court. Let him coast in the regular season, and let him loose in the postseason.

 

That would be a good thing imo. !

 

another downside of this trade is Battier might be ended up in a western conference team like Lakers, Nuggets, Spurs, Mavs,Suns, Hornets,Jazz,.... that will be a nightmare.

 

To me it is all about have the right parts come together.

I like the deal, and don't necc feel the need to trade Battier.

Think about a starting line-up of Yao, Scola, Prince, Battier and Billips. Yao is play maker #1. Billips #2 (yes he can post and do some other things). Prince can also take advantage of match-ups (out length or out quick many opponents). If you think shooting % and shooting effiency, Billips and Prince are superior around Yao than Tmac/Alston.

Defensively, we would have the best pair of defensive wings in the league. Long and quick, and probably helping to cover some slowness (by NBA standards) in our bigs.

I'd pull the trigger. Of course Yao has to grow to be even more dominant and consistent. But if he doesn't become this we are not winning it all anyway. Assumming Yao is a top 5 player next year, I think adding Billips and Prince makes our team stronger.

 

No, thank you.

 

I agreed, the lineup of Billups Battier Prince Scola and Yao is dominant on both end of the floor. You got people that can shoot consistently and you got guards that play tough defense outside plus Yao "no easy layup" defense inside.

 

Battier and prince on the same team? No, thats almost as bad as AK-47 and prince on the same team.

TMAC + ALSTON = BILLUPS + HAMILTON

BATTIER + PICK = ARTEST

YAO
ARTEST
HAMILTON
BILLUPS
SCOLA

NBA CHAMPS 2009 baby!

 

No way I'd make this trade. There are a number of ways the Rockets can improve this offseason, but I don't think this is one of them. Imagine if they made this trade and Yao went down with an injury again. Do you think they'd fare as well with Billups and Prince instead of T-Mac? I doubt it. I know it's fashionable to blame T-Mac for the Rockets' problems, but we can't lay the blame for the Rockets not getting out of the first round soley at his feet. I think they very well might have advanced this year had Yao not been hurt. The Rockets are close to being an elite team; they need to keep McGrady and add another explosive scorer. I like Billups and Prince, but not at this price.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.
This lineup matches up perfectly with any team in this league.

 

TMac played 66 games last year and 71 the year before. He played hurt in the playoffs. I would never do this. Teams start doubling Yao and if Billups doesn't hit shots he's no better to us than Raefer. Because in our offense he would be reduced to a spot up shooter with our inside out strategy. And with TMac gone you would be asking Yao to carry the team in the 4th quarter............again...........more minutes........injuries to legs.

The knock on TMac was his back. Looks like they got that fixed so I would ride him at least til his contract is up. I love Yao just as much as anyone, but history is shown we are much better without Yao than we are without TMac. Everyone remembers what we did after yao went down, but please remember what we were doing right BEFORE he went down. We hit a nice stride and teams had no answer. That was with Yao playing on 1 foot. Please give us just 1 chance healthy. Just 1 chance.

 

people don't forget this isn't the only deal we can make (if this is pausible).

Making Trade of Tmac for Billups and Prince, I would do it in a heart beat. Why? it addressed our issue with PG in the west.

Next we need to see what we got, does the coach value shane or prince or the other way around? I do think they are both the same type of player.

Now we can use either one of them mixing with aslton or Bjax for an starter SG.

The problem is if we get rip and billups instead, our team would probably hestiate to get anymore upgrades as our sg probelm solved. However, I think rip wouldn't be able to content with the west elite SG.

 

lol a core of yao, billups and pince is lotto bound in the west.

 

As i do like the appeal of having Billups and Prince/Hamilton on our team there is no way i would trade for them giving up Tmac. When healthy, Tmac is one of the top 4 or 5 players in this league if Yao goes down there is no way billups will carry us like Tmac has. I swear we will lose bad if yao goes down cause there is no way those guys carry us. Tmac is crucial to the Rockets he gives us the best chance to win by being our best scorer, passer, and instincts. We do need a point guard tho but not by giving up Mcgrady no way he is way too valuable to us. Our biggest goal should be to upgrade this team by adding pieces and not completely overhauling this lineup. we are a good team and a few pieces away from a being a great team. Lets ride out tmac contract and give him a break cause without him last year we would have never made the playoffs and never even been able to compete in the playoffs. Billups/Prince would have never got us to making the playoffs in the west i just dont see it happening.

we need to make a run for artest he is exactly what we need on both sides of the court. Alsso I know alot of you guys are down on Redd but he is an elite scorer. Yea he might need alot of shots but hey he can have all the jacks that rafer has been taking i got no problem with that. Rafer shoudl stick to what he does for us best by running the offense and setting up his teammates cause he is NOT the scorer he thinks he is. Yao needs a Redd on this team so does Mcgrady. If we can get Redd we would have a semi boston mold.
Yao
Scolandry
Tmac
Redd
Alston

while redd would be a defensive liability i do agree but man that lineup would run wild in the west. No more doubling Yao in the post with Mac and Redd hovering the arc. We would cause so much problems with opposing teams playing defense on us and we would also take off the pressure of scoring on Tmac.

Morey please say no to selling off on Tmac cause we need him. Say no to the pistons!

 

Bad trade because we simply would not be a better team afterwards in my opinion.