Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

There are some pros and cons to this deal.

Pros:

1.) We get 2 starters for one, which would make us a much deeper team. Rafer would become the best backup pg in the league, while we have 2 great defenders in Prince and Battier, although both are somewhat limited offensively. Prince would also add some shot blocking.

2.) Both Billups and Prince are winners. 2 finals appearances, and playoff tested, and won a title. Great leadership for a young team.


Cons:

1.) We still haven't seen a complete season of Yao and Tmac under Rick Adelman. We've only seen them together for a full season in 2004-2005, when Yao was still not a dominant player, and we had a much older team. We saw this years team win 12 in a row with Yao and Tmac and ended up at 22 in a row with Tmac and a some role players. Let Scola, Landry and Brooks develop, let Rick Adelman input more of his offense in this team, and make a few small deals here and there and draft smart, THEN lets see where this team goes. Also most importantly Yao and Tmac need to stay healthy, atleast 65-70 games together this year.

2.)Billups is 31 and is beginning to have injury problems himself. Tmace is only 29 with durability issues, so why not go with the younger player with durability issues. Having Tmac's size also helps when a player ages, compared to point guards who are small and will lose speed and quickness (as Billups already has)

3.) Tmac is still a top 5 talent in this league today. Only Kobe, Lebron, Paul Pierce, and Dwade are in the same class as Tmac. Theres a reason why none of these guys don't get traded. Kobe even demanded a trade, and couldn't get traded. The Celtics never gave up on Pierce, and Miami won't trade Dwade even after a horrible season. The only one from this group that was traded was Tmac, who had big issues with an idiot GM, who told him they would not give him good supporting talent. Lets analyze what type of talent we are giving up b4 we make this trade. Billups and Prince could only dream of doing the things on a basketball court that Tmac does.


Overall, this trade is interesting, but at the end of the day, I can't make this trade. If you replace Hamilton for Billups, then I would listen, but this trade I cannot do it. I would rather see our Rockets team led by Tmac and Yao for a full season and see what they can do before I make a big trade like this.

 

My thoughts exactly. Good post.

 

Well I would like McGrady to stay here in Houston, and I am pretty sure he will stay here but this deal looks really good, for Houston and for Detroit.

Houston would get a real point guard who can be a very effective scorer and who can really shoot the ball. The would also get Prince who can play defense and can shoot the ball. That would allow Rockets to trade Shane for another scorer.

On the other hand you have McGrady - superstar, Hamilton who is really a great scorer and Sheed - old but still can play D, can play inside and also can make long guns.

But again, if this trade happend McGrady would still be without a real playmaker, pg. Stuckey is maybe good, but is he the right option for a starter? I don't know. And that why if I were Pistons GM I would trade Hamilton+Prince for McGrady.

Billups/T-Mac/Hayes or somebody else/McDyess/Sheed looks pretty nice.

 

T-Mac for Billups and Hamilton yes. T-Mac and Battier for Billups Hamilton and Prince yes.

T-Mac for Billups and Prince no. T-Mac for Billups and Sheed no.

 

they would get a top 2 seed to play the hawks or craptors so i doubt it.

 

NIKEstrad

I put the Cato variable into play to momentarily throw you a curve. Cutino and Steve were always close while Cato wasn't.


In regards to acquiring Cat, I think he expires in '10 and is making over 8 million @ season. Jackson's contract alone likely won't get it done, but adding Luther's in would probably do it. Can't see him as the starter, so having that much salary in a 6th man would be quite a bit to swallow.

 

are you saying billups and prince are superstars? some fans on here make me scratch my head.

prince is a 3rd option type of player. same thing with billups. with a great starting lineup and fails to beat even the cavs b/c of one reason -> no go-to scorer.

pistons would love this trade b/c this would make their team more potentn offensively, trade of billups who is declining. i think they want to keep prince b/c he's a better version of battier but you have to give him up to even smell tmac.

i don't know if this trade will make us better b/c our perimeter scoring will suck. we need to trade one of our starters for a SG and it will cost either battier or scola.

 

you do know pierce only had like 5-6 dominant games in the ENTIRE playoffs. he literally either was average or a ghost in the other games.

kobe is better than tmac so i'm not gonna talk.

 

lol can we get Moochie and Mo Taylor back too?

 

I'm with you!! This trade wont and shouldn't happen. The Rockets for once need to ADD some pieces round T-Mac and Yao!! Luther Head, Mike Harris, Battier, and all of the other non-offensive players will not cut it!! If they for once get them some help we will finally see their true potential!!

 

We haven't seen a complete season of Yao + Mcgrady under any coach, not just Adelman. That's probably because it will never happen.

If the Rockets are to be successful one of them, I don't care which one, must go. I almost don't care who goes. By a hair I think I'd rather see Mcgrady go. Mcgrady + Battier + Head for Billups + Prince + Stuckey + 2nd round pick is preferable, but the already proposed idea is an intruiging idea. I would not, however, do it just yet. I'd wait to see what other kind of offers may come the Rockets way.

Regardless, it is a certainty that the Rockets will always be a sub-par, disappointing team with the current "duo."

 

Since the guy's just speculating, it probably won't happen but I'd do it. I'd prefer Rip and Billups because we already have Battier but that would put us more over the cap. I don't we can reasonably expect an entire healthy season anymore with our current stars unfortunately.

 

i think tmac will agree to this trade though so both sides will agree. like the writer said, tmac will be more motivated if he's traded to prove people wrong and he will def. play well in his last yr of the contract.

again, i doubt it will improve us any much b/c now we don't have anyone that can draw double teams on the outside, but sometimes a team like us needs change after being bounced out of the first round for so long. maybe yao will actually want to be the #1 guy by being forced into that role.

tmac will go to a team with another legit 20pt scorer, a good post player in sheed (if he ever plays there), and an emerging penetrating young PG in stuckey. he'll def. get out of the first round with detroit b/c the east sucks. and he'll still be the #1 guy there. he goes to the east rather than staying in the west so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

How much better would you say Kobe is better than T-Mac??? Because if T-Mac had played the way Kobe did in the Championship games, this town would have been picketing in front of his house!!

 

the way kobe played like he did in the finals where he could elevate his teammates' game when the defense was keying on him like tmac possibly would have been able to do makes you think kobe is "not that much better."

but kobe is a better pure scorer b/c he's healthier, he makes his fts, and he rarely coasts.

but if we saw how pierce played avg 21, 5, 5 in the playoffs, i have ZERO DOUBT tmac can easily outplay pierce. pierce has the benefit to play with 2 stars and a great defense. he has zero pressure to always dominate like kobe or tmac.

the past few years have shown us a deeper and more balanced teams usually win rather than a 2-man show.

either we trade one of our stars and have 3-4 great starters (like the detroit deal b/c i doubt yao can be that #1 guy) or keep tmac and add another 3rd scorer.

 

When was the last time the Rockets pulled a trade that ANY OF US HAD ANY CLUE WAS IN THE WORKS?!?!?!?

I could've never dreamed up most of the transactions that this team has inked over the last few years. (#8 and Swift for Battier) (James for Juwan) (Vspan for Scola) (Jackson for Wells) I know there was more to these deals than I'm listing...just hitting the major points here.

I understand that it's rewarding for certain advocates of the "trade Tmac bandwagon" to find validation in the words of Mr. Random Columnist across the country (who is basically crapping a handful of thoughts and splattering them into an article). I also understand that it's rewarding to throw these potential trade scenarios back and forth and back and forth until the cows come home (or get traded to New Orleans).

I'm just trying to pose a serious question here. When was the last time that any thread within this forum has been converted from a "Potential Trade Talk In The Works Thread" to a "Done Deal Thread"?

Clutch...I'm checking the ball back to you and waiting for that killer crossover.

 

the last TMAC trade?

 

If the pistons can extend Tmac's contract, it will be a good thing for him.

 

How many more seasons does TMac have left anyway? This trade might work to our advantage.

 

pass. i want lebron in 2010. just ride this mcgrady thing out....and why make a change. we were legit until yao went down.