Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

Yao can't convert the double teams jeez you must not watch the games at all. I'm done, if you don't know that much i don't know what to say

 

What the hell does "convert the double teams" mean? I've been watching basketball for years and I've never heard that term.

 

When you get the double team, you can still convert, meaning you can "Exploit it." You know, like T-MAC manages to do?

 

How often does T-Mac get doubled way out on the three point line?

One more time: this is supposed to be a motion offense. There's supposed to be a lot of passing. That means Yao doesn't need to get an assist every time he passes out of the double team. All the Rockets need to do is kick the ball around until it finds an open player. By passing the ball the Rockets can still swing it around faster than the defense can adjust, especially if they just sent two guys at Yao. Cutting hard without the ball helps too.

 

Badgerfan, you should quit trying. This guy is wrong about 100% of the time. Even if his arguments are soundly refuted, he keeps using them over and over. His plan isnt to wear you down with intelligent analysis. Its to frustrate you by repeatedly posting the same, refuted contentions over and over.

To his credit though, it is pretty effective. He's able to win arguments even though his knowledge of basketball is comparable to that of a stone. Kudos to him.

 

it's hard to say that about the guy when you don't even know the concept of boxing out.

 

says the guy that said T-Mac deserves every name he's been called, like mclazy eye, mccancer etc...immature stuff you know? Says the guy that said Yao couldn't get the rebound because it landed next to him, not on him. Like the guy above me said...you don't even know something as fundamental as boxing out. Wecko, most people feel that way about you, i wouldn't bring it up to expose yourself.

 

Also...the points you try to prove make it sound like you have never picked up a basketball and gone to the Y or something. You are trying to be all theoretical, that it "Should" work this way. Don't tell me i don't know jack about b-ball when i practiced for 3+ hours from middle school to my last day as a senior in HS. Whats with the personal attacks anyways? Its funny because most of the people that read your posts say its like talking to a wall and all you can say is that you're "Too smart" for other people to understand.

 

It's Boxing Time now.

 

IF we trade T-mac for Billups and Prince who will play SG? Luther Head?

 

You serious? If he doesn't get doubled way out on the three point line it means he doesn't get doubled?? You and Wekko's comments amazes me. Fact is when sook said Yao is not able to "convert" double teams, it simply means when TMac is doubled he gets both his guys to commit which leaves someone wide open. If you see Yao doubled, it's usually just to get the ball out of his hands in a static position, which allows the defender doubling him to easily rotate back to his guy. Yao or any Center for that matter just does not have the vision or are not very good at passing out while making their offensive moves.

 

Wow...you really take things out of context. I said Yao shouldnt be boxing out near the free throw line. And you construe that as I don't know the concept of boxing out.

I like how you selectively choose which parts of my sentences to use in order to support your assertion. Instead of trying to paraphrase what you think I said, how about you quote me?

 

Yes...I said that. Whats the problem with that? How many players can you think of whose nicknames were undeserved (excluding self-imposed nicknames)?

And btw....do you think he really cares what people call him? Even if he does, he can dry his tears with his millions of dollars.

You and Tmac1 seem to have the same deficiency. You're both putting words in my mouth. I said that when the rebound bounces beyond the span of Yao's reach, I don't expect him to get it.

I really do pity you guys. All you're assertions are weak so you two resort to manipulating other peoples' words.

 

What Badgerfan is trying to point out is that Tmac won't get doubled if he's out near the three point line. On the other hand, most teams will immediately double Yao if he's in the post.

This only happens when he penetrates, and we all know that doesn't happen that often.

Which is precisely the reason we need better three point shooters. If we have three point shooters to spread the floor, defenders will be more reluctant to give help defense to Yao.

 

Again, it means nothing because we are not able to take advantage of Yao's doubling while TMac does just fine without Yao. See my reasoning why TMac's double is easier to yes "convert" than Yao's. Again, simply because Yao is static and the guy doubling him is not completely commited to Yao.

This statement tells me you don't watch the Rockets AND you are a big TMac hater (no surprise here). TMac does penetrate! He just dishes it out to the open man as soon as he gets his two defenders to commit. He doesn't take it to the hole all the time and try to draw foul as often as say Kobe, Lebron and Wade does. Got it?

How many times will I have to tell you this, Rafer and Battier are decent 3 point shooters! mid 300 average is good! What do you want? .400 3 point shooters? Thats like saying if only we get a player who can shoot 60% FG from the field, we will be all set. If Yao needs those types of players for him to succeed, I think you are proving our point here.

 

Wow...what idiocy. Don't you realize that since the events in question havent happened, its all theoretical?

I'm not too smart for most people to understand....just a select few (including you). For instance, you just said that in a span of 7 years, you practiced over 3 hours of basketball.

Impressive.

 

Yes. Last season, we were not able to take advantage of Yao's doubling due to poor 3 point shooting. Which is why trading Tmac to the Pistons would be great for us. It would give us better three point shooters for Yao to work with.

And Tmac does fine when he draws the double. Which is when he penetrates. How often does that happen?

Sorry guy, he doesn't penetrate nearly as often as any of the guys you mention. His method of operation is the pick and roll. Got it?

I want a consistent 3 pt shooter. Rafer is incredibly erratic. One night, he'll shoot 1-7. The next night, he'll shoot 2-2. And guess what? thats 33%.

 

The point is that nobody is going to double T-Mac way out on the three point line, which is where he likes to camp, because he is not the offensive threat from long distance that he used to be. His shooting % is actually extremely poor for a SG/SF. Once he drives he can get defenses to collapse on him but that's it.

Yao on the other hand demands a double team in the low post, and those are hard double teams. If he's doubled before he gets the ball, which never happens with McGrady, all the better. Even if the second defender is only half committed once Yao actually puts the ball on the floor and starts backing down his defender that pulls the help in.

What's more Yao is not a bad passer for an NBA player and for a center he's pretty good. If nothing else he's tall and can see over everybody else. He's more than capable of passing over his shoulder to somebody cutting to the basket for a layup, like Bonzi used to, or hitting Battier out at the three point line--and that's been demonstrated in game after game this season.

 

1) Pretty much everybody and their dog on this board agrees that T-Mac is far too reluctant to drive and far too willing to settle for crappy jump shots.

2) Rafer's out and out mediocre. Regardless of his 3 pt % his overall fg% for the season as a whole is less than .400. That's awful. Maybe you didn't notice but earlier this season teams were leaving him open and daring him to shoot.

 

Without piling on, badgerfan and wekko are mostly right. I don't know what the hell the rest of you are talking about.

I will say this: Yao has gotten A LOT better at passing out the double team. I didn't think he would ever be able to be effective when doubled. This year I saw him making cross-court passes to spot up shooters. Sometimes he faked the pass and split the double team. Doubling Yao opened up a lot of avenues for us -- I'm looking forward to Adelman further exploiting them next year.