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Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by fbagulbagul, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. sook

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    Wecko theres a reason that the other teams objective isn't to shut down yao.

    Its to shut down mcgrady. You keep posting the same redundant crap to points already addressed, you are just so blinded by your hate you keep making stuff up.

    A joke, Yao takes better advantage of doubles than mcgrady? Seriously dude just stop right there...
     
  2. Rockza

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    I have to say that both TMac and Yao gets doubled. The key here is TMac when he gets doubled finds the open guy or he gets easy basket. While Yao just doesn't have the skill set to pass at the last minute like TMac does. He will pass when he sees a guy coming to double and that guy then easily rotates back to his man. Fact of the matter is, TMac takes better advantage of double teams and thats why we win a lot more games with him.
     
  3. Jeff Who

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    Charles Barkley would not agree with you...
     
  4. badgerfan

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    Comparing point totals with Pierce though is comparing apples and oranges. Anybody can rack up points if they shoot the ball enough, and that's exactly what T-Mac did in the Utah series where he went 33% for game 1. Pierce may have had shooting problems throughout the post season but how many times did he take more than 20 shots a game, even on nights where he was on? A mere handful--three or four for the entire playoffs. Think about that: Paul Pierce, Finals MVP, played 26 games in the post season and shot the ball 20 or more times in only 3 of them. The guy is willing to play team ball and to be part of a big three. By contrast T-Mac shot the ball no fewer than 21 times in every single game of the Utah series.

    The point is that I do not think that you can take a look at Pierce's post season and T-Mac's post season and say that T-Mac clearly had more game. First off, they're in different situations. Pierce shot the ball a lot less and that's exactly what he should have done given that he's playing with KG and Allen. Pierce played the game his team required to win. T-Mac didn't have the same luxury with teammates and it shows--his points per game are going to be inflated in comparison to Pierce's.

    What's more I don't think that you can argue that T-Mac was even consistently good for the entire series. Yes, he had some good games. But he also had some crappy games. He vanished in the fourth quarters of games 1 and 2. His shooting % was terrible for those games as well. And for the entire series he was lousy from 3 pt land.

    That's not to say he sucked. Games 5 and 6 he played very well. But as a whole his post-season performance was not outstanding.
     
  5. badgerfan

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    On the contrary I would say that a lot of teams key in on trying to shut down Yao. If you just compare the frequency with which Yao gets doubled to the frequency with which T-Mac gets doubled I don't think there's any question that Yao demands a consistent double team much more often than McGrady.
     
  6. badgerfan

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    That lineup is good enough that you don't even have to gamble on that head case Artest. If you're feeling really frisky though you could still do Artest for Battier/Brooks. Artest is a good defensive sub for Battier and Brooks is less important when you've got Billups and are clearly in win now mode. Now you have:

    Billups
    Hamilton
    Artest
    Scola
    Yao
     
  7. badgerfan

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    There's no such thing as good enough. You always want to get better and right now Alston and his .38 or .39 shooting average are screaming "Upgrade me!".

    If the Rockets don't get better the other teams in the West will. The Lakers are going to get Bynum back next year and they could be truly scary. Portland is getting Oden. NO isn't going to be young and inexperienced next year, just young. Billups is not only an upgrade to Alston but he also has a ring and he's a genuine leader.
     
  8. badgerfan

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    Yao led the team this year in scoring, rebounding and blocked shots. I kind of doubt he would have played only 25 minutes a game, especially if the only issue is finding somebody else to guard Boozer.

    As for the number of writers who took the Lakers over the Celtics, more chose the Lakers yes. But it wasn't virtually unanimous like it was in the Rockets/Jazz series.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2008/06/05/nba_finals_prediction_roundup/
     
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    And if LA gets Artest too, scary. Bank on this, they won't sit tight.
     
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    Just about every writer in the country wrote the Rockets off after Yao went out. Why should your opinion count more than guys who write about basketball for a living?
     
  12. badgerfan

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    One more thing: the last two years Yao has led the team in scoring, rebounds and blocks. When one guy who has lead the team in three categories for two years goes out is it really realistic to expect that the team will just continue on with no problems?
     
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    This is one of the main reasons the Rockets should seriously consider pursuing him, to keep him away from other Western Conference teams.
     
  14. sook

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    Wrong, maybe you should listen to Jerry Sloan etc... last year nobody gives a rat's ass about shutting down Yao. You shut down mcgrady and his ability to get others involved you have no shot at all.
     
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    So if Yao puts up 30 pts every night we win? Wrong!

    When Mcgrady does we usually win, Yao can't carry a team even if he leads in those 3 categories, get your head out of the sand and check the facts.
     
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    This is what happens when you trade away all the young talent you draft for solid veterans. Its easier to move a young player with talent than any aging solid player. I would love to be the GM of the Rockets for just one season. But one thing I do like is, Daryl Morey, no homo, I trust whatever he does based on the additions, and subtractions from last year.(ie. + Luis Scola, Carl Landry, Aaron Brooks, - Mike James and Bonzi Wells.)
     
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    well this an update on the rumor from....ABC Houston

    Are the Rockets and Pistons talking trade? (AP)


    HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The NBA draft is next Thursday and the Rockets have the 25th pick in Round 1. But what they do would certainly be impacted by a trade.

    If you love the rumor game, then the folks who follow the Detroit Pistons seem to be stirring the waters. The Detroit Free Press says the Pistons want to make changes and they are looking at two scenarios. Number one would be making a deal with Denver for Carmelo Anthony. The second scenario would have the Pistons trading Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince for Tracy McGrady.

    Billups would give you one of the league's best point guards and Prince is a scorer and defender, but Billups is three years old than Tracy, but it makes you think.

    But again, it's just a rumor...

    Didnt feel we needed to open a new tread about it though
     
  18. t_mac1

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    now his post-season performance wasn't outstanding, but not really sucked. i get it. unbelievable. i shouldn't even respond to that. either you really think tmac is the best player of all time for you to say a guy who put up 27, 8, 7 wasn't that good or you just don't like the guy.

    then you must have thought yao did pathetic last yr then.
     
  19. t_mac1

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    that shows your lack of having your own opinion. this is not a medical diagnosis where there is only facts that come into play.

    sportswriters don't follow the rockets all the time, you do know that right. they simply know yao is one of our best players and when he's out, you don't expect a team to play that well. but WE DID. and those sportswriters ate crow for the rest of the year.

    the same writers who chose the lakers to beat the celts. the same writers who thought there wouldn't be clutch city when they said we were choke city.

    oh yea, go listen to those sportswriters like they're gods. i never said trust me, but have your own opinions. most sportswriters are people with OPINIONS.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    it depends on matchups. if we play the lakers, he would play 35+. if we played boston, he would play a lot also. b/c he can then guard gasol or perkins, who generally stay inside.

    boozer is quicker, more athletic, and like to shoot mid-range jumpers and killed yao last yr defensively. adelman saw what we saw and would have adjusted.

    we shut down boozer this yr. we only needed yao 25 mins a game b/c that would minimize his time guarding boozer, but also keep him fresh throughout a game and we simply needed his scoring.
     

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