Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

how about BOXING OUT?

i brought up deke as an example. dude is a slow mofo that has zero lateral quickness at this stage and puts up double digit rebounds in less than yao's time of play. again, i never said your criticisms against tmac are completely wrong, just some points.

but you are making every type of excuse there is for yao.

there's a reason yao is 7'6 with a body frame of 310 lbs. how about using that frame like deke does and box people out. rebounds are not all about "letting them come to you" like you say about tmac. sometiems boxing out goes A LONG WAY.

 

Watch the video again. Look where the ball lands. How do you expect Yao to box someone out that far from the basket?

In other words, foul boozer and hope the refs dont call it? Sorry guy, thats not smart basketball. The only way Yao could've put a body on Boozer w/o fouling would be if Yao was between Boozer and the ball.

The theme is that your arguments are weak. Now you're saying that fouling a player is the best way to prevent him from getting a rebound.

 

Have you ever played basketball in your life? How is putting a body on someone a foul? How about next time try watching players fight for position after someone shoots instead of just watching the ball?! Gosh....

Oh wait, u r the same guy who says Yao is better because he has better FG% than TMac. You do know that Yao's FG% is very mediocre among centers while TMac falls in the average among shooting guards..

 

um boozer was RIGHT NEXT TO YAO. you don't box a guy when he has the rebound, boxing out is a fundamental technique you do BEFORE you rebound. yao did not do that and thus he did not have a chance at it.

boxing out is done BEFORE -> lemme repeat that fundamental technique of basketball to you.

do you know what boxing out means? on the last rebound, both yao and boozer were inside the paint RIGHT NEXT to each other. when the ball rimmed out, boozer NEVER TOUCHED boozer as they both raced to the ball. yao doens't have to race there b/c alston was running there. just box boozer out and alston would have gotten the ball.

how is a fundamental concept of boxing out so hard to understand? there's a reason a midget like dennis rodman can lead the league with 16 rebounds a game. not every rebound is outside the paint for him to "run to it." most rebounds are INSIDE the paint. you get rebounds by BOXING OUT. yao failed that miserably on 2 of those 3 rebounds.

ok, let's not get away from the topic. any new news on the tmac trade rumors?

 

Good God you're dense. Watch the first rebound. Yao did box him out, but the rebound was a long one.

And the third rebound bounced to the 3 pt line....and you want Yao to box out. No offense but that statement is borderline r****ded.

Wrong. Deke is faster than Yao and has better lateral quickness.

Name one.

Why dont you read the rest of my posts. I've already addressed this. Who do you think will win in a foot race between Aaron Brooks and Yao?

Now ask yourself why. Now apply those same principles to Yao and Boozer. Seriously kid, its like you have no concept of physics.

 

wekko, i sense your frustration. let's leave it at that. it's obvious you don't play basketball by thinking boxing out means fouling somebody.

and on the first rebound, yao wasn't boxing out if you actually know what boxing out means. he simply put an arm on boozer. that's NOT boxing out my friend.

and you're saying deke is faster? have you seen the dude run or try to dunk? he's slower than a slo-mo replay by ESPN. his lateral quickness is like my grandmother's. what deke does well is he does the fundamental along with his sharp elbows.

 

game 7 last yr - jazz shot 51% and got 7 more rebounds -> that's where JVG said we lost.

the defense is on the team b/c we play team defense, not individual. but the rebounds??? yao had 6. juwan howard played 27 minutes and had 7. nuff said.

yao had averaged 11 rebounds prior to game 7. furthermore, yao had ONE block. tmac, a perimeter player, had THREE. but again, according to wekko, tmac should have driven more.

 

Yeah, I'm tired of arguing against you and Rockza. To be blunt and honest, neither of you are knowledgeable enough or smart enough to be arguing with me. It seems like my responses are so far over your head that you can't understand them (let alone refute them). So you just repeat your original argument (even though I've already refuted it).

Not to mention your understanding of basic basketball concepts is well below average. You expect Yao to box out near the free throw line area. You expect Yao to foul people to prevent them from getting rebounds.

 

The first one, Yao didn't even touch Boozer before the ball hit the rim, he was just standing in front of him. Good god you are blind.
You are dense, good defensive players always put a body on their guy to get the away from the rim and then go for the rebound. Now you understand Boxing out? Remember how Boozer broke Landry's teeth? he tried to put a body on Landry before he could scramble to get the ball. If Yao had put a body earlier then as TMac1 pointed out, Alston would have got to it first.

Let me try your argument, wrong. Deke is not faster than Yao and has the same lateral quickness. He is just a better rebounder because he boxes out his guy well.

Too many to name

By that logic, you are saying guys like Boozer should rebound a lot more against guys like Dwight and Shaq?? Ridiculous.

 

read what you just said and see if you are knowledgeable. you correlate boxing out with fouling. i'm sorry, but either you are cocky and not wiling to watch more games and understand the game of basketball. i know you love yao, but even he admitted those rebounds were his faults after game 7 to jon feign of the houston chronicle. he said basically along the same lines i said (i didn't box out and put a body on boozer).

but hey, yao can do no wrong. just blame it on his limitations. if yao was going through your line of thinking, he would never become this good and average 20-10.

 

Talking to you is like trying to teach algebra to a kindergartener whose mind simply isnt developed enough to fathom what I'm talking about.

Actually, you were the one who was saying that Yao should put a body on Boozer when they're chasing loose ball. When you play basketball, thats a foul.

Actually, Yao had boxed out Boozer. The rebound bounced BEHIND Yao.

Deke is faster and has better lateral movement. Why do you think he's still capable of getting so many blocks?

 

lol your argument is stupid... fact is you make all the excuses in the world for Yao and criticize TMac for every little thing. i.e. Ball didn't land on Yao (boohoo), Yao is just not a good enough rebounder, Yao is too tall for basketball (I am sure this is coming). Speaks a lot about your basketball knowledge... in addition, if you can't grasp boxing out and you think thats a foul, I don't think you should be the one teaching/patronizing anyone about basketball knowledge.

 

You must be kidding? Where did you get it?

FYI. Among the 29 qualified GFs, TMac ranks 27th in term of FG% this season. That is far below the average. You called that in the average?

Source:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=GF&conference=NBA&year=season_2007&sort=21

 

do you read? i said box him out when both were in the paint. watch the 3rd rebound. ask okur released the shot, both WERE INSIDE THE PAINT RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. he should have boxed boozer AS THE BALL IS RELEASED, NOT WHEN IT'S MISSED.

instead, yao was watching okur releasing the ball. AGAIN, boxing out is DONE BEFORE THE BALL IS MISSED. that's how you get position. again, BASIC FUNDAMENTAL OF BASKETBALL. good god, where is a basketball 101 book when you need one

you don't box a guy out AS YOU RUN TO THE BALL. how stupid is that?

 

first of all Tracy was driving a lot, we all know that. he only should have shot better from the outside.

The defense was not great in the whole series. The problem with out team was that we had been playing only defense the whole season and we couldn't at leat show that in the playoffs. Offense- you can't expect a very good offense playing under defensive minded coach.

Whan you look at game 7, yes we should have player better D, we should he secured more rebs, but when you look at the entire series the offense was our biggest problem.

Game 3, or 4 (don't remember) - ONLY FOUR GUYS SCORING DURING 48 MINUTE - GAME

it is unbelivable in the nba

 

yes his shooting was below average. nobody is making excuses for that. his ft% is beyond excusable. it's pathetic.

but how about rebounding, assists, and creating for their teammates. that should put him among the top 5 sg/sf.

 

And that would have put Boozer between Yao and the ball. How could you possibly think that giving Boozer a head start would enable Yao to get the rebound?

 

man, i'm sorry but that statement shows your lack of basketball knowledge or you didn't even watch the video you posted.

lemme rephrase this in easier terms to understand.

1) as the ball is about to leave okur's fingertips -> that's when you find your man and box out IMMEDIATELY. rebound is about position. you don't know where the rebound is going to go but that's why you box out. yao never touched boozer.

2) when the ball is missed, boozer (with nobody laying a hand on him BEFORE the ball is missed), ran freely to the ball, beating RAFER ALSTON.

3) now think about that. if yao BOXED HIM OUT BEFORE THE BALL HIT THE RIM, rafer alston would have been there to get the ball.

once again, BASKETBALL 101 - boxing out is done BEFORE the ball is missed. when you box out, it's not necessarily for you to get rebounds, but to PREVENT YOUR MAN FROM GETTING THE REBOUNDS. yao may not have gotten it, but his teammate may have. the point is to not let your man get the rebound.

i don't know how many times i hear my HS coach said this, but it got through my head the first time. it might take awhile to seep through yours.

 

ok I assumed he was somewhere in the middle of the pack as Yao is among centers. Anyways, to say Yao is shooting great compared to TMac is misleading and thats my point. You compare it with the norm. Its like saying Yao is better than Kobe/Lebron etc because he has a higher Fg%.

 

Have you ever...played b-ball a day in your life. Getting a rebound is ALL about boxing out. I'm 6' not that quick and i get plenty of rebounds over people a lot taller.