Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

You said magic won it his rookie season, and basically you backed up my claim of him being an exception. Was pierce? No.

 

Actually, you said that the leader of the team wins the finals MVP (which is why Ray Allen didnt get it). I proved this assertion wrong by bringing up Magic in his rookie year. In no way did I back up any claim you made.

And also, James Worthy won the finals MVP, and he wasnt the leader was he?

 

Geez, I come here to read the latest thoughts on this trade rumor, and instead I get post after post of one long stupid-ass argument that doesn't amount to *****. I f'n hate the offseason so much...

 

That was really Game 6 in the 1980 NBA Finals that involved the Lakers and the 76ers. Magic Johnson really came up big in that one with 42 points and 15 rebounds along with 7 assists with Kareem out with a bad ankle.

Let's just say that Magic kept Kareem from playing in Game 7 by doing his part in enabling the Lakers to wrap up that championship series in Philadelphia when they came into that game leading the series 3-2.

 

Amen.

 

posts like this are what realy tick me off. tmac plays D in the playoffs; tmac goes all out in the playoffs.

to me, i don't care what a superstar does in the reg. season as long as he delivers in the playoffs. we were 2 games out of first place without our starting center for 30 games? did tmac really hurt us that much in the playoffs without playing consistent D? NO

as long as tmac brings the 110% effort consistently in the playoffs that he always has, who cares? but people like you keep making the mistake that he doesn't drive, play D, or play with heart in the playoffs? GUESS WHAT? HE DOES.

he went to the line 9 times this playoffs; played great D, scored, rebounded, passed, created, played injured, never lost faith in his teammates, never got down on the team when we were down... appparently, people don't care for those qualities.

 

wow. watch game 1 v. the cavs game. that was as bad of game he played in his life and you can see his lack of confidence as the game went on and he never wanted to touch the ball whenever lebron james was on him -> not trying. dude didn' want to see the ball even. i don't think he attempted more than 4 shots in the 2nd half b/c he never touched it that much.

 

no, they did not need yao to win in that series. they lost b/c rafer was out and when he did played, still played injured. tmac was injued. battier was injured. if they had rafer in every game, they would have won. see games 3-5 as reasons why. we should have won both games in utah. we blew utah out in game 5.

games 1 and 2 -> tmac got tired (whereas he never got tired in games 3-5 b/c rafer did the ballhandling and allowed tmac to play "OFF THE BALL" a concept wekko can't get through). how does rafer alleviate the responsibilities for tmac? lol.

if yao had played, i don't think adelman would play him more than 25 minutes anyways b/c of the mismatch with boozer.

 

ok, let's go with that logic. how come paul pierce played BETTER as the playoffs went on. he sucked mostly when the playoffs STARTED.

ray allen sucked to the 10th power when the playoffs started. he got BETTER as the playoffs went on.

most plays GOT BETTER as the playoffs wore on b/c they get in more of a RHYTHM.

tmac had his worst games in games 1/2 shooting-wise offensively. he had his best games in games 5 and 6, the last 2 games of the series. yes i understand your reasoning but the playoffs you get A LOT of rest in b/t unlike the season and you get time to prepare. you also focus more and play with more intensity. knowing how tmac has performed in his career and how he got BETTER as the utah series went on, your point has no validity. his fg%, free throw attempts, points... all got better as the jazz series went on. same case as last yr. same case in every year.

ask most players -> you actually expect to play worse to START the playoffs b/c of the increased intensity from the reg. season and defensive pressure. but once you got into it, with a lot of 2 days rest and more preparation and rhythm, you actually expect to get better with every game. that's what happened to pierce and ray allen.

 

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again, he's using a double standard he doensn't know he's using. pierce can suck for 6 games but as long as he shows up for game 7, who cares?

tmac plays great for most of the games in series and lose, he's not stepping up.

 

now we get to the root of the problem. you want EVERYONE to know this is yao's team. just say that ahead of time and none of this would have to go on.

as for me, i have no problem trading tmac or yao. if the pistons offer billups and hamilton, tmac can go for all i care. b/c we would have a complete team at every position. if not, hell no i don't want this to be yao's team. he has never showed me he can lead a team and you want to tell people this is yao's team. nobody in america outside of some houston fans believe yao can lead a team.

the only way we can win without tmac is if we trade him to get a PG and SG. we have battier at SF, scola/landry at PF, and yao at C. yao has no pressure to lead b/c it would be a team effort ala the pistons. if no and we force yao into that #1 role where he has to do a lot of things, well, let's not get into houston's record without tmac.

 

i don't see T-Mac and Yao ever getting past the first round together, let alone winning a championship. If we don't make any big time trades, we'll be stuck with the same team as last season, and that's not good enough to get past the first round.

T-Mac for Billups and Sheed DO IT MOREY!

 

you don't think a "healthy" team last season would have gotten past the first round. utah was getting shook as the series wore on with an injured rafer, tmac, and battier my friend. SHOOK and they admitted it after game 5.

 

A "healthy" Rockets team is a mythical creature that never rears its head. Three seasons have passed with T-Mac or Yao being injured, and every year they get older and less durable. Plus T-Mac isn't nearly the player he used to be.

T-Mac for Billups and Sheed -- CMON MOREY

 

Wow Rofflesaurus sends a "little" hate Yao's way and you noticed?! lmao.. I am only reacting to the blind hate. Fact is we barely win 20% of the games when TMac is missing. Deal with it.

Another fact? it is not TMac's D that cost us the losses in the playoffs. TMac slacks off on D in regular season, but not in playoffs. If you want to blame one person, it was Yao. Boozer owned him! Forget that he couldn't stop Boozer, he couldn't friggin get rebounds. 6 measly rebounds by your center in game 7! We gave up 5 offensive rebounds in the last 2 mins and we lost by 4 points.

And finally what about Yao's choke job on missing 5 consecutive FTs in the crucial game 6 against the Mavericks?? Open your eyes and the truth will set you free.

 

If I had my way I'd trade Yao just as fast as I'd trade T-Mac. We aren't winning a playoff series, let alone a championship with either of them at the helm.

T-Mac for Billups and Sheed

Yao/Head for Al Jefferson and McCants

LETS GO MOREY!!

 

They didn't shake anything. Utah was toying with them. We're not winning any first round matchup with Rafer as our second best player. Put down the McGrady and especially the what if they were "healthy" pipe.

I'm getting to the point of wishing McGrady and Yao being traded so the McGrady and Yao homers can go away with them.

 

health for the playoffs is all that matters. so what if you miss 20 games in the regular season? it's not like Houston can win 70 games if they were all healthy. 55-60 would be best of anyone's expectations.

 

or just create one thread "TMac sucks/not a superstar/lazy etc" for all these haters so that TMac haters and TMac fans can duke it out in one place instead of all over the BBS. To try and create every thread about how much TMac sucks - and thats exactly what Badgerfan, antisonic, Wekko, Rofflesaurus are doing - is not healthy for this forum.

 

Why are you even mentioning the team three years ago? Van Gundy did a very poor job of surrounding Tmac and Yao with great supporting casts. Remember how only 4 players scored in the playoff game against Utah? And guess what, it is not Yao nor TMac. Back in these days, without Yao or TMac we would have being wiped by Utah and Mavs. Everyone has down games, like PP and Ray did in the beginning this year. Maybe you should open YOUR eyes and take a look. This year finally we have more promising players and have a good chance next year.