Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

It's not attacking him if the criticism is valid. Just about everyone on this board except for his fan club agrees that he doesn't take it to the basket often enough and he settles for jumpers way too often. What's especially problematic is when he settles for jumpers when there's somebody sticking a hand in his face or when he's shooting from way beyond the three point line.

 

Because elite centers are harder to find than elite guards, and play a more important role on the team.

And again, if you actually count the threads regarding trading T-Mac they vastly outnumber the threads regarding trading Yao. Like it or not, that's not me or wekko or any of the other people you seem to think are T-Mac haters creating those threads.

 

D. Howard is more dominant now, than Yao has ever been, and will be twice the player. Not just Howard, we could get a first round pick i guarantee you

 

Badger....i know you're not a hater ok. I've seen you live blogging during some of the games and you care about this team. I see that, but this off season is getting to your head, and maybe mine too. Someone say Wecko...if you read all of the posts he has ever made isn't your every day rockets fan. Let me just clarify, you criticize him and it is valid most of the time i agree, but if your posting over and over just exemplifying his negatives it doesn't look too good.

 

So I, Wekko, Antisonic and Rofflesaurus are all Asian? I hate to break this to you, but Roffle is an equal opportunity hater. If you check his posts out you'll see he takes every opportunity to send a little hate Yao's way.

I forget who said it, but somebody on this board said that if T-Mac spent as much time on defense as you do defending him in every freaking thread the Rockets might actually advance past the first round.

 

The point is that you can't trade a center for a center. You can't trade a PF for a PF. If the Rockets wanted Howard they'd have to package McGrady and then they'd be log jammed at the center position.

And again, elite centers are 1) critical and 2) hard to find. For that reason Yao isn't going anywhere.

 

I havent seen him not try. If he plays poorly and the series goes to 7 games, then as long as he steps it up in the 7th game and his team wins, then most of his criticism should be alleviated.

 

I was just saying in general...of course you can add and mix a couple of players into the combo.

 

Double standards ftw.

You think PP tries, but this guy doesn't care because he lost even though he put up a show

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Yes, the Rockets were outgunned. But any team that suddenly loses $15 million worth of payroll off their roster is going to have serious problems. The Rockets didn't lose because of Scola, Battier, etc. Every single team in the league has got its version of Scola and Battier, the guys who aren't superstars. The Rockets didn't lose because they have role players on the team, like every other team in the NBA. They lost because Yao was out.

 

More dominant now than Yao has ever been? Are you serious? His offensive game is nowhere near as polished as Yao's. Don't you think theres a reason he's not given the ball when the game is on the line?

 

The point is that I'm extremely skeptical of the argument that Yao is untradeable because of merchandise sales in China or whatever. Yao's untradeable because there's only one other legitimate elite center in the league and trading them for one another makes zero sense.

 

Who said anything just about offense? Dominant...also as in he's already a way better defensive player.

familiar with the 20/20 he pulled of during the playoffs? What did Yao do? He couldn't grab 3 rebounds over boozer, a guy a foot shorter than him.

 

What double standards? Look up the definition again. I CLEARLY said that if he plays well in game 7 and his team wins, then the criticism should be alleviated.

Since you're so knowledgeable about double standards, please show me where you see me applying them.

 

We spent 3 straight pages talking about it. I am talking to a wall, and i take no pleasure in doing so. Really want to find out? Start a poll, you'll be surprised.

 

Howard excels at the things associated with traditional centers--rebounding, defense, etc.

Yao's a new type of animal. He's a bigger offensive threat than Howard with a more complete game but he's never going to be the rebound/shot blocker that Howard is. I think it's a toss up which one you want--it depends on the style of play. Given that Yao's a better passer and a threat from range I'd probably go with him if Adelman's the coach.

 

If Yao learned to post up better and took less fade a aways it would mean the world to me. The fact we have a jump shooting center takes away from his "Dominance." Because he's not good at defending the paint you see guys like Nate Robinson dunking on him.

 

When you say that D.Howard is more dominant than Yao has ever been, that statement includes offense. Yao's dominance comes from his polished offensive game and his defensive presence (although he is slow).

I dont understand why you think Yao should be a great rebounder. In regards to rebounding, he has many physical limitations.

If he has to run/fight for a rebound that isnt coming within arm's reach of him, I dont expect him to get it.

 

So he has physical limitations? Isn't that another reason D. Howard is better?

Yao > howard on offense.

Yao<<<<<<<Howard on defense

Ask any non homer fans of the NBA and they will tell you that straight up.

And i seriously think we need to stop hijacking this thread like this. Other people need to get a word in too when it actually relates to the topic.

 

And again, you're avoiding the issue. The more games a guy plays the better the chance that he'll have a bad game. Compounding that is that the deeper you go into the playoffs the more games you've played and presumably fatigue becomes a bigger issue.

T-Mac's never gone past the first round. Pierce and the rest of the Celtics probably got half as many playoff games winning the championship as T-Mac's had in his entire career. If T-Mac were in Pierce's shoes, with his injuries, with the problems with fatigue, does it seem likely that he might have gotten a game like LA where he was a complete non-factor? I'd say so.