Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

It's not a question of being injury prone. It's always been tougher to find elite centers than elite guards. And there's a legitimate argument to be made that the C and the PG are the two most important spots on the team.

 

Wow. Telling someone they're 100% wrong. And then agreeing with them. The way your mind works mystifies me.

 

Who cares? The blind hate and the worship are just about equally obnoxious. And it's not like they cancel each other out. All they do is pile up the obnoxiousness on top of one another.

 

You guys overrate these Piston players.

I hope Morey does it, just to see how much whining will happen at the end of next season when we don't make playoffs.

 

Yeah...he didn't show up for every game. But he did in the ones he needed to. And given the fact that the Celtics won the championship and he won finals MVP, its pretty hard to effectively criticize him.

 

I also recall he didn't show up for the Cleveland game either, and a few others on top of that. Yao also didn't show up the Cleveland game and the Rockets won anyway. Why? Because the rest of the team stepped up and beat down LeBron.

Again, here's what I really dislike about the T-Mac uber alles argument. When the team wins it's because T-Mac put everybody else on his back. When the team loses it's because T-Mac is surrounded by scrubs. Anybody who looks at those wins in LA or in Cleveland should be able to figure out that guys like Scola and Battier can play with the best. Yeah, they're not superstars but they're legitimate pieces and they could easily be legitimate pieces on a championship team if they were traded or if the Rockets could finally figure out how to play the stinking offense for an entire season.

So no, T-Mac did not carry the team during the ten game streak after Yao went out. Yao did not carry the team during the twelve game streak before he went out with the stress fracture. The reason that the Rockets won those 22 games was not T-Mac. It wasn't Yao. It was team basketball and chemistry. Why that didn't carry over into the playoffs on a consistent basis is anybody's guess.

 

b/c in the playoffs, you see the same team over and over again and rarely do role players do what they do during the reg. season (head is a perfect case) b/c the playoffs, teams watch vids of you constantly rather than just 1-2 days in off days like in the reg. season and focus solely on you.

on the national level, when they blame houston's failures, they blame it primarily on tmac, not on anybody else. when JVG was with us, tmac and JVG took ALL the blame. JVG got the axe last yr. you see the tmac trade rumors this year (or even last). so i don't know where you get the argument that tmac doesn't win much is b/c of his "scrubs." that argument is used on these kind of forums. but like i said, on the national level, tmac is the guy to blamed and rightfully so, he's our best player.

 

no like wekko said and many have said when yao's trades are brought up, he will never be traded simply b/c les has become a billionaire since yao arrived despite winning ZERO playoff series.

yao has never shown to be able to carry a team, why do you want to rebuild a team around him?

 

pierce had 2 4/6 pt games. along with 9-10 VERY VERY mediocre below 20 pt games. i doubt tmac would have that if he played every game in the playoffs b/c he actually goes ALL OUT in the playoffs. the reg. season tmac and playoffs tmac are 2 completely different players.

tmac was in a "slump" before the utah series. people on this board actually question whether he would score 20 pts for us b/c he was struggling. guess what? he averaged 27 ppg.

 

not in today's game. a great perimeter playmaker (kobe, lebron, paul, deron) are the way to go. hell, with the spurs, parker and ginobili are either splitting the duties with duncan or even more perimeter oriented.

this isn't the days. shaq was the last great center you can build around. no big man in today's game can you build around solely and expect to contend. you either need a lot of great pieces around them (shaq only needed another all-star guard; hakeem needed well just a good guard or good role players; ewing needed freakin' john starks...).

 

I'm not sure if its intentional, but you're being incredibly vague with your description of "building" around. You said that shaq was the last great center you can build around.

What about Dwight Howard? Can you explain to me how the Lakers built around shaq but the Magic arent building around Dwight Howard?

What about Duncan? Garnett? He got pretty far in the playoffs a few years back with a team built around him, right?

 

Prince is like a more athletic Battier, not much more.

That said I wouldn't mind taking Rip and Prince for Tmac.

 

First, TMac has flaws, we all know, we all heard enough times here. Tell me something new. You are the 12 year old, who brings the same cr ap about TMac in every single thread.

Whatever dude, the fact is you are Yao fan and probably asian, lie as you may. Heck I love Yao more so than TMac, but hate **** who wants to see Yao be "the" man and will do anything to bring TMac down. Clearly ignoring the fact that Yao has done nothing in regular or post season while without TMac we can't even win 20% of our games.

Now go and read all your posts and you tell me if you are not Yao fan and TMac hater. If it smells like cra p, it is cr ap. Thats all you post, everywhere in every thread, nothing else. There are some legit true "Rockets" fan like DD, Tinman etc. who criticizes TMac a lot, but you know they are real fans. You, Wekko, Antisonic and Rofflesaurus are not one of them. Now go create a dedicated thread about the "flaws" and "legitimate" criticism of TMac and stop making this whole BBS about anti TMac.

 

tmac and yao will play together next year. Lock this up

 

Yea to his first point, its common sense to know that Yao will never get traded genius. All of "US" rockets fans know that. He said it had nothing to do with how much Yao makes for Les. If that weren't the case we would have traded him for D. Howard of something already.

 

I don't think anybody at the national level actually thinks that T-Mac is to blame for the failure of the team to advance past the first round. This is a team sport. What you can criticize him on is the things that Blinebury and Feigen at the Chron bring up over and over--his reluctance to take it to the basket, his willingness to settle for jump shots. the stupid heat checks from the parking lot, his tendancy to dribble, dribble, dribble away without passing.

 

Well put. Your right about that, you have the habit of attacking him too much, and i have to agree i defend him too much.

 

So what you are saying is PP should just take a series to 7, and then try?...twice?

 

D. Howard is the only other elite center in the league right now, so if you buy the argument that dominant big men are critical then he's basically the only option out there for a trade. That said, trades for two guys who play the same position are pretty rare.

 

Good points but i think Charles, Kenny, Magic and Earnie will clear some things up for you.

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