Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

If it's me, I do this trade in a heartbeat. I just have a feeling that Dumars would pull out at the last minute or Morey would be too scared to pull the trigger.

If Housto did Tmac for Billups and Prince and Battier for Barbosa you get quite a good starting lineup.

Billups
Barbosa
Prince
Scola
Yao

But I won't be surprised if this trade is classified under "Hopeful but unlikely" rather then "Going to happen".

 

Make this trade happen.

 

bonzi never drew consistent double teams; bonzi never created for his teammates. what he did was for HIMSELF and by scoring HIMSELF (when he played the spurs), he was great. but he never made the game easier for his teammates in any way, shape or form.

like i said, tmac's efficiency has to be better. on that point i agree.

but what you tend to forget is he's a PLAYMAKER. he makes more plays than anyone on our team. the only players who makes more plays than tmac as a whole for their teams are lebron, kobe, wade, and chris paul if you look at points accounted for (i might be missing 2-3 players).

like i said, when lebron struggled MIGHTILY in this year's playoffs, what did he do? he made PLAYS. superstars find ways to make plays when their shots are not there. tmac is one of the 5 players in this L who are able to do that. therefore, he's a superstar.

superstars will find a way to impact a game regardless of what the other team does.

 

i never said he was flawless. i agree with wekko's on his faults actually. but his strengths outweigh his flaws.

you told me you criticize tmac for disappearing for quarters. pierce can disappear for GAMES, even in playoff games BEFORE this year.

i simply said tmac > pierce. i never disparage what pierce accomplished. i was actually happy for the dude b/c he lost a lot in his career, similar to tracy. but the facts are that tracy > pierce in more ways than not.

i never said he was an average player. i said he was a superstar type player.

 

exactly. tmac is one of only 4-5 perimeter players who get that much attention.

but again, i would trade him if we get billups AND hamilton, not prince. we have battier there. get us PG and SG and we're pretty set.

 

how do i know tmac won't disappear in the playoffs? UM... b/c it has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. he has never scored less than 20 pts since he became a star player (discounting toronto). tmac has never scored in single digits. he has never avg less than 25ppg in the playoffs. add onto that he always puts up the rebounding, assists, blocks, AND steals.

um, paul pierce struggled in the FIRST PLAYOFF SERIES. he got BETTER as the playoffs went along. same thing with ray allen. and tmac actually got BETTER as the series got along.

so is it safe to say tmac might have actually been better if he advanced? i would say so.

 

the thing i have with these posts is that tmac is probably the least of our problems since he is our best playoff performer.

yao has NEVER dominated a playoff game, let alone a series. and yet we never discuss his problems. we just blame it on his size.

again, i've stated what it would take to trade tmac and if it makes us better, i would.

but please, if a team gives us a good deal for yao, we have to make it (but oh no, he makes les money)

 

pistons tried to offer billups and prince but the nuggets declined and instead wanted to offer iverson but pistons declined.

hopefully the pistons are looking our way now.

T-Mac for billups and Sheed/Prince, MAKE IT HAPPEN

 

ie they think Carmello is more valuable than the Detroit combo. Furthermore I think Tmac is better than Mello, so you could probably guess my stance on this trade =P

 

Badgerfan brought up a great point. This postseason alone, Pierce has played almost as many playoff games as Tmac has in his past 4 seasons combined (including this year).

Once Tmac gets deeper into the postseason and the extra minutes/games start taking their toll, its likely that his numbers will drop.

 

He's never gotten out of the first round before. Pierce in actually winning the finals has racked up over 25 odd games. In one post-season he's got close to half of the total playoff games T-Mac's had in his entire career.

If you play enough games, regular season or playoffs, you're bound to have a dog. When you compare Pierce to T-Mac you're comparing somebody who on top of the regular season then has to go on and play 25+ games to make it to the Finals to somebody who is six and seven games and out. You're comparing a Finals MVP to somebody who has never gotten out of the first round. There is simply no comparison.

What's more don't forget that while Pierce had dogs he also had games where he put up huge numbers and lead his team. When everything averaged out he still got 22 ppg, which is very decent considering he's sharing scoring duties with KG and Allen.

And there is no way to tell if T-Mac would have gotten better if he actually made it out of the first round. Now you're talking about extra games on top of all the games from the regular season and the first round of the playoffs. That means more fatigue. Given T-Mac's situation with injuries do you really think he would have gotten better with more fatigue and more play? I don't.

 

I agree...Tmac is better than Carmelo. But I think in 2 years, Carmello will be better. In that sense, Carmello is more valuable.

 

You know, there's probably a reason that "Trade T-Mac" threads on this board are commonplace and "Trade Yao" threads are a rarity. And no, it has nothing to do with how much money he makes Les. Of the two superstars on this team T-Mac is clearly the one who would go if the Rockets decide to rebuild.

 

T-Mac can disappear for entire games too. Remember LA? If he actually played more than seven games in the postseason it's almost guaranteed that he'd have one or two dogs in there.

 

Did I even mention Yao?

Dude, I'm guessing you're like 12 years old. It's extremely childish to assume that the only reason somebody's running down your favorite player is to build up another player. Did you ever think that maybe T-Mac might not be perfect? Shocking, I know.

T-Mac is a legitimate superstar. But the amount of blind worship he gets on this board from you and some other posters is just obnoxious. You can't even offer up legitimate criticism of the guy without you jumping in and going bananas.

 

That is plain common sense. T-Mac is replaceable, Yao isn't.

 

You are a 100% wrong. Yao is just as injury prone as T-mac, unless you wan't to be lottery bound you trade Yao first. Yao will never get traded..

 

Badger...that was one game. He carried the team 90% of the streak. The LA game and like 2 others he coasted a bit. And if you remember correctly he was the sole reason we won in Atlanta (game right before) playing the whole game, thats why he was so exhausted the LA game.

 

The amount of blind hate he gets far surpasses the worship he gets.

Coming from a guy that would most certainly trade T-MAC for billups/hamilton, but not billups and prince

 

Thats probably because he took atlanta and cleveland to 7 games. You know why that happened? No one could step up and take over. Pierce didn't show up till game 7 and on. TNT crew, ESPN crew ..etc said it all