Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

excellent / valid points i left that out.

 

Once again your determining your opinion of him based on a few games. I form my opinions based on what I see as a whole during the season.

IMO, after Rafer brings the ball up past half court, he gives it to Tmac at least 75% of the time (when Yao isnt there). Thats not considered playing off the ball.

Wow. You're trying to defend a teammate standing around doing nothing.

What he should be doing is trying to set picks for his teammates so they can get open. Or he should try to cut. Or at the very least make an attempt at an offensive rebound.

 

You know what...you're absolutely right. Of course he should land Deke or Rafer the ball most of the time, pshhh of course they are better play makers.

Who is the best play maker on the team? Doesn't it make sense for him to handle the ball most of the time...wecko?

 

EXACTLY. Thats my point exactly. He's most effective when he's running the offense. And when he's not, he's not really doing anything. Thats been my point this entire time.

This is why Pierce, who can play off the ball and hit spot up 3's, is better suited to the celtics than Tmac is.

 

They attempted to convert him to a PG, but it wasn't happening. Luther can be a good shooter, I guess it is fair to say he IS a good shooter, he had a terrible year no doubt, which some would fairly say takes any credit away from his ability to shoot. Look, he frustrates the hell out of me sometimes, he misses layups, turns the ball over, misses wide open shots, but there are times where I see him potentially being a quality bench player, his vision on the court is def not high enough to play pg successfully, but as a sg sub coming off screens and shooting I think he would be successfull, he was when he took those types of shots, not when he ran the offense or tried to create anything on his own MINUS THE TREMENDOUS THROWDOWN ON TURIAF, which made me nearly cry btw.

 

i really question how many rocket games you watch. did you see how better tmac play when rafer returned and he DOES NOT have to hold the ball a lot b/c he can play OFF THE BALL (b/c you said he's COMPLETELY USELESS off the ball). watch the games please.

off the ball does not mean cutting and running for no reason. does kobe do that? lebron? watch when centers post up, there is a reason it's called an ISOLATION play. i'm not defending tmac or other guys. rafer, battier, and tmac usually stay outside to give yao some space so he can operate. THAT'S THE BASIC ROCKET OFFENSE.

 

TMac to Detroit

Billups to Houston

T Prince or Battier to Memphis for Mike Miller


We get heart, leadership, and championship experience in Billups and much needed shooting in Mike Miller and still keep solid defense at the small forward. Get it done Morey.

 

I'll explain it one last time. If you still don't understand it, read it again until you do. Tmac is most effective when he runs the offense. Same with Kobe and Lebron. But when Tmac doesn't have the ball, he doesnt do anything. For the most part, Tmac DIDNT play off the ball when Rafer returned. Rafer would generally bring the ball upcourt and give it to Tmac beyond the 3 pt line. Then Tmac would run the offense. Thats not playing off the ball.

And even if theres an isolation play for a center, there should still be plenty of movement amongst the other teammates. And theres always a reason for the movement (cutting, screens, going for rebounds).

 

we tried that with yao earlier on when he was near the high post and had movement earlier on -> IT FAILED MISERABLY.

again, do you watch rocket games? watch games 3 and 4. see how many assists tmac had compared to when rafer was out? go watch with R2K as he has all the games and you will stop with all this garbage.

 

Read my post again. The logic is not complex. You bring up the same arguments over and over and they've already been addressed. You're either purposely ignoring what I'm writing or you simply dont understand. Either way, you're beyond my help.

 

btw, the name of this thread is misleading. It makes it sound as if the Pistons are actually considering this deal. But as I read it, the writer is just dreaming up trade scenarios, same as you or I.

 

On Friday, Calvin Murphy touched again on this topic and said that Detroit had inquired, but the Rockets wanted a better offer.

No mention if Detroit was working on a second offer or had given up on this idea.

Probably a feeling out process of calling around the NBA to assess the respective markets for various players. Gather as much information as possible and then decide on a course of action.

Morey and other GM types have likely done similar things because only one team ended their season on a high note.

 

Trading Tmac would be the worst idea EVER! this guy is one of, if not the best talents in the NBA.. Give him another star to play with and his mental strength will grow by leaps and bounds.

 

ill do this as long as its

Rip, Billups

For

T-mac, Rafer, head, pick.

 

i want one more year. and a few lucky breaks in the next few weeks may be all this team needs.

 

Do not trade T-Mac! Give him a full season with Yao and all these trade-t-mac-hooligans will be screaming t-mac in bed.

I'd only consider

T-Mac

Billups and Hamilton

 

In terms of willingness, no one wants to leave the Rockets for the support, eyeballs, and the endorsed brand they get from the Chinese population.

 

It's a great choice for Rockets. But it's difficult for trade. Morey's Time!!

 

I think no one wants to trade T-Mac because he does to the perimeter game what Yao does to the inisde game. And when they play well together, we're near unbeatable.

The problem is how often they even play together, much less play together well. McGrady called his injuries "freak accidents." Well, if you keep calling them that, at some point, you'd have to believe that you're just not in shape or you're injury prone.

It's interesting you say give McGrady and Yao one full season to see what they can do because they've had 3 attempts at that and failed all 3 times.

The reason the Rockets play so inconsistent throughout the season is because there's usually someone missing. The Rockets need a positive constant on the team.

Right now, I'm in the Don't Trade T-Mac boat. But if the right offer comes along, you have to pull the trigger.

 

The Rockets do not need a pass-first type mentality. They do not need a shoot-first type mentality. They need a think-first type mentality. And yes, that leads to McGrady.

We have one of the most versatile players in our team, and possibly the best passing swingman. He wouldn't pass to a teammate if his defender was smaller and shorter. He wouldn't shoot if he knows his teammates are at a better spot, even though they're guarded.

Shoot first type mentality guards, like billups, would just shoot at every opportunity. Whiles pass first type mentality guards would just.... pass. Not for the better nor the worse.