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PIRATES!!!! argh

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. Surfguy

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    Huh? The pirates spokesman said they would start killing any French and American hostages they capture. They are not going to wait around for their pirates to be killed via a rescue. At least, that is what they said.
     
  2. Major

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    Right. But that's in retaliation for their people being killed. They've treated their hostages well for years - their interest is purely money. They have no interest in killing hostages. This sentence:

    They want to kill French and American hostages....then be prepared to be captured and prosecuted for piracy.

    implies that we will go after them because they want to kill Americans. The reality is that we already went after them, so now they are willing to kill Americans. This is the problem with escalation, unfortunately, especially in a lawless area. I'm not saying it's not the right strategy - the old way was clearly not getting us anywhere - but we're the ones responsible for the escalation from ransom to violence.
     
  3. Deckard

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    Well, maybe it's time they returned to fishing. Putting up with this is unacceptable.
     
  4. Surfguy

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    I get your point...but I'm speaking in the here and now (post-rescue).
     
  5. rage

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    Are you serious?

    This is no different than some bank robbers in Houston taking hostages. Are you telling me we should just let them walk away with the money so they will release the hostages. Let's just do that and watch 100 of banks getting robbed the next week, not just 4.

    Before throwing around words like responsibilty and violence, suggest a solutiuon.
     
  6. Major

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    What part of:

    I'm not saying it's not the right strategy - the old way was clearly not getting us anywhere -

    Was unclear?
     
  7. rage

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    What part of what I said was unclear to you?
    Don't just say the old way was wrong, the new way is wrong ... make a suggestion.
     
  8. ArtV

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    I'm not sure what a pirate boat looks like but I assume it's a small, motorized boat built for puttering around. Patrol the area and any boat like that that is 100+ miles off shore gets boarded as there is no reason a boat like that would be puttering around 100+ miles off the shores of Somalia. The problem is the ocean is a big place to patrol for little boats
     
  9. Major

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    This part:

    I specifically said the opposite of what you're claiming I said. In fact, I quoted it a 2nd time for you to make it easy.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    you did overreact because my comment was mostly in jest. If I was serious I would have linked articles or something (as is the common method here of "proving" you are right) and acted outraged (like you).

    Thanks for the props on GOP lemming.

    Iran was brought up because it was civilian american hostages, dem pres, and uber failure. You should have came back and said he gave the go code for Operation Eagle Claw but you went with the cherry pick line.

    Also I never mentioned this but this is not a sign of national defense or security. It was allowing the HRT and SF guys to do their thing.
     
  11. rage

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    OK, let me spell it out again ...

    1) You said
    ... is that correct?

    2) You also said the new way leads to violence
    is that not also correct?

    Does that not mean that the new way is wrong or did you mean the new way is right? Which is it?
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    Dozens have been killed or are still missing before we took these three out. They may prefer to not kill but they have proved they are more than willing to do it.
     
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    If I missed an attempt at humor, then I apologize. It is income tax time. My sense of humor is damned near nonexistent.
     
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    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PyNuriXG3BQ&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PyNuriXG3BQ&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
     
  15. Major

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    No. Please find where I said that. I did say it hasn't gotten us anywhere - but that still may be the best option if there aren't others that are better.

    Yes.

    Neither. It does lead to violence. That doesn't mean it's wrong - violence may be the most effective solution here. That doesn't change the fact that we're the ones that escalated it. If people die and it doesn't solve the problem, that's a failure of policy. If it does work to slow piracy, then it's an effective policy.

    In between the made up quote you created for me, and the other quote of me, I also specifically stated:

    I'm not saying it's not the right strategy (referring to the new attack strategy)

    Seems pretty clear that I wasn't saying it was the wrong strategy if you understand basic English, no?
     
  16. rage

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    Got it.
    Got it again.

    I got what you said ...
    Neither is wrong, neither is right, one may be the best we have , then again it might be the other ....

    So basically, you are a wussy.
    Do you understand that?
     
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    One of the reasons they've turned towards piracy is that fishing stocks off of Somalia have collapsed. With no functioning government other countries have helped themselves to Somalia's fisheries while also dumping toxic waste off of their coast.
     
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    Just looking for an excuse to post another pirate video.

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yMC5_fNN9Ls&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yMC5_fNN9Ls&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
     
  19. Major

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    You could look at it that way. Or you could look at it that I don't pretend to be an expert on Somalian piracy or know what the best solution might be. And as such, I don't try to pretend to have answers to things I don't have answers to.

    At least I understand how to read basic English though.
     
  20. rage

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    You said it, yet you don't understand it.
    Remember why I raised my 1st argument?
    If you are not an expert, if you can not offer a solution then when someone else tried something ... shut up about it
     

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