http://www.knicksvision.com/2011/01/knicks-can-get-two-picks-for-anthony-randolph/ We would switch the 2012 NY pick for the pick they could get for Randolph.
So forget what I said on my 1st post, the pick they get in a trade for Randolph replaces the pick they owe to Houston. They would not need a trade with us, don't need the original pick. A shame.
According to reports, NY offered Randolph to Houston for the 2012 pick a while back, but Houston said no. Morey was interested in Randolph but not for that price.
The Pacers left limbo ever since they traded for Collison and traded away Murphy, making Hibbert the starting center. They are a young team. The Bobcats on the other hand want to be in rebuild mode but haven't even started yet. They're still mainly comprised of veterans with only have a couple young talent.
He's talking about a first round pick, not #1 overall right? I don't get it, why would they trade us anyone for their 2011 pick back if its more than likely going to be non-lottery?
No one has any faith in Terrance Williams being our Wilson Chandler? He rotted away on a piss poor Nets team last year although he did show flashes of greatness at some points. This season he's yet to break the rotation...just a bad to start his career. I think the discipline problems are mainly coming from frustration...can you blame him? I think this season is done unless we somehow pull Melo or Paul. If nothing amazing happens by the deadline, let T- Will play. Let's see what he can do first.
Yes, I think it had to do with the lottery potential of the pick. NY wanted the pick with no conditions. Morey wasn't so sure about that idea.
The Pacers are headed in the right direction with the Collison trade and drafting that swingman but they're really wasting Granger's prime. If I was DM I'd be calling Bird and asking if they want to trade Hill, Battier, C-bud and next year's pick for Granger.
Personally, I'd pass on either deal. Wilson Chandler is an intriguing player but you absolutely have to keep in mind he plays in a stat-padding system. For all the shots and minutes he gets he doesn't get to the line not nearly enough. Plus, we're talking about the idea of adding another three -- do we really need him with Battier/Bud/T-Will already on board? As for Randolph, I'm not at all interested. We need size, athleticism and shot blocking but we need those elements at the five -- not at the four (or three depending upon how some envision Randolph in the long-term). The idea of taking minutes away from Scola, Patterson or Hill to work in Randolph doesn't sit well with me.
TS% takes free throws into account, and according to it Wilson Chandler is converting at near all star level offensively. D'Antoni's system does indeed play at a faster pace, however I'm not sure it pads their stats as much as say GS does-its certainly not padding Gallinari's stats this year. Finally its not like we're Portland here-a lot of our perimeter players are having career years thanks to RA's open court read-and-react system. Regarding the logjam, most of those would be gone in trades if indeed we managed to get Chandler. I guess I'm talking about the kid like he's some kind of superstar-in-the-making, however its pretty hard to get both potential and production in a player who has no mental problems.
Well, I never said Chandler couldn't hit his FT's. He does, and to his credit, he's improved his outside shot as well (the main reason for his spike in TS%). I'm not trying to sell him short and generally speaking I agree: it is hard to find productive players that aren't boneheads/chuckers in this league. I'm just not convinced we're talking about anybody special here with Chandler. And you're very much right that perhaps Chandler could replicate his solid numbers in a similar uptempo offense like the one RA runs. I'm not saying it would be a bad fit (like I am with Randolph), I just think it creates an unnecessary logjam and sort of undermines the play we made for Terrence Williams. We both know T-Will isn't a future backup PG in this league so with Battier's decline, Bud's so-so year -- clearly there's a void at SF moving forward. My argument is more so that I think we already have that area covered with T-Will than it is so much about Chandler. Basically, I'd rather just keep the pick and develop the guy we already have.
The only reason i would want to get Randolph now is because of the possibility of lsing Hill or Pats in a trade.
Trade Randolph for a MN pick then... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=62noysc Knix get: Melo, Jordan, Balkman and Birdman Rockets get: Kaman, Curry and Chandler Nuggets get: Yao, Budinger, Hill, Azu + Knick's 2012 pick + 2012 Clipper's 2nd. Clippers get: Turiaf and Gallinari + MN's pick. Knicks do this to get Melo early and make some noise. Amare's eye popping numbers can't get them past a 1st round knockout. With Melo and Jordan, they could do some damage. And if they want Jordan or Gasol, who are both restricted FAs, then they will need to make a trade anyway. They keep Fields. So they do trade 3 of the 4 pieces (really 2 because I don't think they want AR on the team) but they get Jordan back as a super bonus. I think Walsh would do that trade in a heartbeat. Rockets get Chandler to man the SF position for years and a true C. Yes Kaman is injury prone but he's only has 1 more year remaining and if he can stay healthy we have a decent lineup and more trade chips. It's only costing us a low pick, Bud and Hill for a huge upgrade at SF and a decent starting C. Kaman, Hayes, Miller, (Curry) Scola, Patterson, (Jeffries) Chandler, Battier, Williams Martin, Lee Lowry, Brooks, (Ish) Clippers get a true starting SF - something they are sorely missing. And a C that they can resign and would match up well with Griffin. And a pick upgrade to push them to deal Jordan now. Denver - this is your if-you-don't-take-this-offer-you-lose-MElo-for-nothing offer. A couple of good young AZ players, a 1st and high 2nd pick, unloading of 2 bad contracts + a partially insurance paid expiring. Not great but beats any rental offer I dare say is out there. That gives them a pretty clean slate and some young seedlings. It is a whole lot better than getting stuck with those contracts and no Melo as a building block for 2011-12.
Seriously we have to much space in PF-C position...I dont want Curry and perhaps get rid of Jefferies...that i think will make more sense
I think the Rockets need to begin to cultivate their own Big 3, as this is the new model the league is heading towards in terms of playoff success. Patsquatch, T-Will + another (Chandler maybe) would be a good place to start. Maybe it can be AB, who knows.
People who are clamoring for Kaman are truly desperate. He is not what we need. We can do better than that. If we are to deal with the Clips, it should be for someone like DeAndre.
