His back to the basket game is VERY underdeveloped...in other terms...it sucks. His option in the post is to face up and work from there. Watched him get owned by Nick Collison a couple weeks ago, it was sad.
I watch the Suns every game on League pass unless it interferes with me going to a Rockets game or watching one TV. You're wrong. He had a bad game against Collison (I guess when a player is outplayed by another player in 1 game it's considered sad). I guess the fact that he's averagin 30 some ppg in his last 10, shooting 60% and grabbing 10 boards can't make up for that bad game against Collison.
Great great great picture! It's the kind of photo that Amare himself may want to hang inside his house. Looks like he's back to being a beast.
Man that dunk was sick. And it was on Josh Smith, which makes it even better. I tried to find a video of it to post here but then I remembered rookies can't create threads.
Marion and Amare Pull up their record and stats when nash does not play. Especially Look at shooting percentages with nash and without . Amare is a good player. He is a better player with Nash. Very similar to kenyon martin when he was with kidd.
I would have to agree on that Kenyon was a absolute beast when he was running with kidd. Once he left jersey he turned into stromile.
Amare's back to the basket game blows and is only effective when other teams play small to counter phoenix, and Amare is guarded by a much smaller player either because of that or off a switch. Amare and Marion look so good because of Nash. You can't deny the huge jump in their efficiency (PER) because of Nash. Without him they'd be good players but wouldn't look like MVP candidates/superstars. Plus that, Amare plays little defense, still. Can't say that about Marion, he's always been a fine defender. I freely admit I hate Amare and wish he would blow out his knee again, but hating him causes me to watch him play, which allows me to actually see what he can and can't do. I've observed him since his rookie year, and he has made tremendous progress, but he would not look like an MVP candidate if Nash were not there.
Great argument. Let's pull up Nash's numbers without Amare or Marion. Or how about he when he didn't have Dirk with the Mavs. Ever big man or player who attacks the baskets numbers are going to go down without a good passing pg. Barbosa is a scorer, not a passer. They all make each other better. Nash wasn't winning MVP's until he got to Phoenix and wasn't considered anybody until he got to Dallas. Every player in the NBA would be better with Nash. KMart had his career destroyed by injuries and never developed a 15 foot jumper. Of course he was better with Kidd. Amare was good with Marbury and I'm not even going to get into what I think of him. It's a simple pick and roll that's unstoppable because of the capabilities or BOTH players running it. Otherwise, they'd cover Amare and let Nash shoot or let Amare catch the ball and try to stop him then with help defense. Amazing that you can't see that. I guess Amare and Marion are just good. Amare took ROY from Yao (whether you believe it was justified or not) and baptized TD in the playoffs. They still couldn't win. Marion has been a 20 and 10 guy and one of the best SF's in the game. Together Nash and him couldn't win last year. Amare, Nash, and Marion couldn't win. Nash and Dirk couldn't win. They all make each other better but look at all that talent and no rings.
That's nice. You can hate him all you want. The fact that you said you wished he blows his knee out again tells me that there's no point debating with you on this. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Facts are facts. Marion and Stoudemire both had their PER take a hike when Nash came, and both are now borderline MVP candidates, when they weren't before. Whether I want Amare to blow his knee out or not doesn't change that fact. For example, you can be convinced that Kobe is an uncoachable rapist, and still conclude that he is a great player.
To be fair, a lot of players hooks when they make that spin. I see Yao do it a couple times also (though it's magnified because his elbow would end up being at someone's head). I think what hurts Yao more are the no-calls on the offense and the touch calls on defense.
Of course their numbers went up. Guess what, Nash won two MVP's as well once he got to Phoenix. However, that is overlooked. You can have an opinion on someone like Kobe but to wish harm on them makes you a complete douche bag
Hey genius, you put Yao or even Hakeem if you want out there with a bunch of guys that can't knock down 3's and they become Shawn Bradley and Hakeem barely manages to drop 20 ppg. Why you ask is this relevant? Because you need other players to help you become better. Big men can't dribble that well and need to get position before they get the ball before they can do what they do. So they need a good passer to get them the ball and good shooters if they get double teamed. Amare can slash and has a good face-up game but if he does not have someone to give him the ball or hit 3's, he is screwed. Nash can crazy shots and can see the whole court with his eyes closed, but if he does not have guys cutting or moving those skills become pretty useless cuz the whole defense concentrates on him. Bottom line, you can only accomplish as much as those guys around you can. Superstars only accomplish great things when they have teams built around them.
Perfect post. You should copy and paste it and put it in the "Give Nash the trophy now" thread. Look at Arenas now that Butler and Jamison have been out. He's getting double and tiple teamed and playing like crap. People forget Jordan didn't win until he got help. People still say "Jordan made Pippen". Well, he made him better but Pippen, and Paxon, Kerr ect... helped give MJ his rings.
Explain how all the people on the Suns had career years the year Nash came? When scrubs like Raja Bell suddenly make 2.5 treys a game, there has to be a cause, and it sure is not Amare. Hell, Nash even managed to make Q-Rich look good. His vision makes that team go. The team floundered horribly the previous year with the same frontcourt but Barbosa and Joe Johnson, who\'s no slouch himself, in the backcourt. There is a reason Nash is the MVP candidate on the Suns, not Marion or Amare. It\'s unfortunate what happened to Livingston couldn\'t have happened to Amare instead.
Wow. All you need you do is read the last sentence in your post to realize what garbage you are. Karma's a b**** bro. I'm a fan of a lot of players and hate a lot of players. Never, do I wish a career threatening injury on them. Is Amare your dad or something and slumping on child support?
Nice namecalling. You lose the argument by default. You never cared to address my points. You realize that if Amare\'s children would be about 5 years old? I have nothing to do with him personally. I detest and hate him, pure and simple. I wish the worst for him. Too bad for Livingston, I actually like him as a player and know somebody who played ball with him before. I didn\'t say Amare is a scrub. I say his stats are overrated and his efficiency, a commonly cited statistic of how amazing he is, is a function of Nash. Hopefully Shaq gets his honorary First Team All-NBA again, or else it will go to Amare. What a disaster that would be.
Are your serious? You just finished wishing a career threatening injury on someone and you bash me for name calling. Yes, I think somone (anybody) who does that is garbage. Keep wishing the worst for him. Injuries, ect.... You hav a problem dude. Nobody should hate someone that much they don't know. Reading you post you would think he did something terrible to you or your family. I won't address your points b/c you have none. You just said you hope Shaq gets first team All-NBA. There's no point in talking to you anymore like others said. Keep wishing harm on Amare. Enjoy your miserable life. I'm ignoring you from now on
