Photoshop: Stoudemire in a Rockets uni (merged: Rockets-Suns trade rumor)

I agree with this. Scola is our workman in the trenches. We do need to get bigger on the front line to compete with the Lakers and even the Nuggets.

 

Tinman ur genius.LMFAO.
So much fun here.
Can't wait to see the BEAST 3 Yao/Ron/Amare on court together next season.

 

I'm just gonna end it here because I see we are not going to agree on this whole Yao is not a good defender situation.

BTW I agree on one thing. We all know Deke is a great defender he proved himself year after year. So thats no argument there. What has our other injury prone star proved. I'm gonna just dropped this whole thing.




Yes to Amare if you can get him for Scola Battier and filler like another poster said. I'll be all for it

 

Yeah, we went from a photoshop of amare to tinman taking over for antisonic.

 

hey don't blame me when some 'other' fans start making false statements, i was late to the party.

check out the rest of the thread Z, lots of people are pointing out the falseness of the 'other' fans statement. I'm just part of the group

where is antisonic anyways?

 

People just get upset because (a) you troll, and (b) your arguments have little merit.

yao gets subbed out of the game for single possessions for a few reasons. But the biggest reason is because, inevitably, almost all last second plays start from the outside in, and involve a guard of some sort holding the ball, waiting for the clock to roll down, and working a pick and roll. Yao has one area of his game where he struggles defensively...pick and roll. He'll admit it, YOF's will admit it, it's just a fact.

But on the whole, he is a great defender.

So great, mind you, that he consistently ranks near the top of the league in terms of defensive impact to his team. This past season he ranked 14th best in terms of net impact to his team's defense - http://www.82games.com/0809/ONSORT5.HTM

that's not to say those stats are perfect. there are some outliers here and there, but on the whole, the stats do support what is obvious. Players like Pryzbilla, Odom, Garnett, Kirilinko, Dalmbert, etc. have bigger defensive impacts. What makes Yao so good is that he also is solid offensively, so combining offense and defense, he was 7th best in the league, at +11.

basically, point is, watching the game it is obvious to anyone who knows what they're talking about that Yao is a strength defensively. He clogs up the lane. He is a solid defensive rebounder. He is a strong one on one defender. As much as he's improved on offense over the years since entering the league, he's improved equally as well on defense. He doesn't foul as much. He understands that with his height, and lack of lateral speed, he is better off giving up a semi-contested long jumper than getting beat off the dribble. For someone who is at times as slow as he is laterally, it's amazing how few big men out there take him off the dribble, frankly. It doesn't happen that much. But he does struggle at pick and roll defense. And he does struggle when you get a big man who can put the ball on the floor AND consistently hit a 15 foot jumper. and the stats all back this up.

 

you cannot dismiss it as "we arent going to agree". you are quite simply, and almost completely wrong.

 

He can dunk from 8-9 feet away from the basket.

 

LOL....if Clutch allowed avatars, this would definitely be used by all the "If T-Mac is (insert excuse)" guys

 

The counter to this is, obviously, the fact that Amare isn't that great of a rebounder in general. Would we lose in "control" rebounds what we gain in "jump ball" rebounds with him? Probably not, but something to think about.

Add Amare to the team you clearly improve in the frontcourt, and offensively. You should become a noticeably better rebounding team, I'd agree.

But I think the question still remains, could you address some of those issues through free agencies (MLE..maybe offer a good chunk of the MLE to Zaza Pachulia type who shouldn't get but 15 mpg but is a solid rebounder in those minutes...or Chris Andersen, Chris Wilcox?), get a decent package with McGrady that nets you a true SG, and be better off?

I guess the difficult part, for Morey, is that if a legit deal for Stoudemire is on the table, you don't know what the rest of the summer may hold in regards to T-Mac proposals, much less what you might be able to net at the trade deadline, so do you pull the trigger. I don't feel strongly either way, and definitely think something needs to be done as opposed to the let T-Mac rehab, come back and join the team crowd.

 

he is WAYYY bigger and swoler now!!..clutch u could have gotten a BEASTIN pic..! lol..but still..the thought of AMARE being a ROCKET... makes me j*zz in my pantss!

 

hahaha!! So true!

 

Morey: "... but if we can get a talented player who can help us all season, we have to look at it. That's why you see the rumors"

He said this today, so it pretty much shut this Amare rumor down... (Because he is such an injury prone and that's why Phoenix is open to trade him)

 

If he wanted to shoot the rumors down, why wouldn't he just come out and say "The Amare rumors are not true"? The fact that he didn't mention names is more indicative that there is trade in the works than not IMO.

 

Take what Morey says with a grain of salt. When he says one thing, he really means the opposite!

 

What do you guys think about a possible trade with Toronto? Landing T-Mac back where he started his career...

Toronto Receives - T-Mac

Rockets Receive - Chris Bosh & Jason Kapono

Salaries match up and Bosh has a player option for 2010-2011 and Kapano's is expiring if im not mistaken. And i highly doubt chris bosh would wanna resign with Toronto in 2010, so we should give him a contract extension if this trade were to go down. We get another PF who can score, and a great spot up shooter.

 

Fail. Trade doesn't work Kapono was traded to the 76ers for Reggie Evans

 

From the past two years, Morey rarely shoot down any rumors unless they are getting out of hand... Also, majority of his deals are coming out from the blue instead of rumors..

I don't know about that, haha... But his negotiation strategy is more towards "hide instead of lie"...

 

Wait, is this a typo or something? You're saying you'd rather have Scola and Battier than Amare? Is this a widely held opinion around here? I literally can't comprehend how somebody could feel that way. That'd be like the Spurs saying, "You know, Richard Jefferson's nice, but we can't possibly give up Bowen. Sorry, no deal Milwaukee."

Basically we'd be giving up Battier to upgrade IMMENSELY at the 4 while also saving the money/picks/players it would cost to bring in a backup 5. There's no ****ing way Battier is worth so much that you'd decline that trade. Plus, with Battier gone, Artest could move back to his natural position and provide similar defense along with a whole lot more offense. We'd be upgrading at both forward spots! (yes, I said it, Artest is a better overall player than Battier)

Alright, we might possibly be downgrading at the 2 if we don't bring in someone else, or if Wafer regresses, but it's definitely still worth it. The only way I might not do the deal is if Memphis were willing to trade Rudy Gay for Battier, but clearly they're not stupid enough to do that...

 

How would Amare help the Rockets?

He is not a scoring option without a great point guard. He has NO POST UP game. He is a bad rebounder for his size and athleticism. An absolute atrocious defender.


His athleticism is only good if you use him in an up tempo system, which we will not be able to do with Yao.

Personally I think Scola is a better fit at power forward than Amare. Even Bosh would be a better option to go after since he can actually create his own offense.

Amare = David West with hops.

Both are jump shooting big men who need to be set up to score. Amare is a pretty good finisher at the basket, but how's he gonna get there without post moves or driving ability?

Amare is one of the most overrated players in the league. Just look at how people though Shawn Marion was some kind of great player in Phoenix.

He couldn't produce without a great point gaurd. He's a great athlete, but he also needed a great point, like Nash to get his points.


I would be pissed if the Rockets went and got Amare Stoudamire...he doesn't bring anything to the table that we need. He's perfect in Phoenix, New York, Memphis, Golden State, New Orleans, Utah etc.

Those teams either play up tempo or have a great point guard to set him up. The Rockets play a slower pace and has a shoot-first starting point guard.