Photoshop: Stoudemire in a Rockets uni (merged: Rockets-Suns trade rumor)

i think tracy would disagree.

Toronto - i have to work for how much? this sucks.
Orlando - hell yeah, lifetime shoe deal!
Houston - big contract, baby. suckers!
USA - i have to play for free? whatever.

 

How many games how Yao played Last year?? when we needed him the most against the Jazz where was our "Warrior" where was the "heart and soul" of this team?? The year before that where was he. Yao is just as injury prone or equal to McGrady so please don't use that as an argument.

 

I like Amare and think he is a huge upgrade to what we have at that position. It would be much harder to double Yao with him here because he has a very good jumper and he can finish at the rim. My only concern would be giving up something significant for him since I think he is bolting in 2010 no matter what.

 

Warning: Thread may be spiraling out of control due to intense feelings about a specific Rockets player.

 

Answer:

more games than Tmac.

 

Take this for what you want, but tweets from Jason Friedman from Morey.

 

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've never seen a good defensive player get subbed out of games when it matters. If Yao is a good quote on quote good defensive player then why at the end of games he is getting taken out for Chuck Hayes who is a good defensive guy??

Doesn't make sense if you taken out one good defensive guy for another one. Especially one who doesn't play that much only in situational times.

I tell you some people on here think Yao is god. Its unbelievable.

 

Some people around here also think T-Mac is god as well. Unbelievable.

 

because at the end of the games you are trying to maximize versatility to switch on pick and rolls. the pick and roll/pick and pop is the weapon 80% of teams will use if they need one good shot at the end of the game. thats why the guys you see in most end game defensive lineups are all big guards, swingmen, and mobile 4s. This defensive posession requires players with length, agility, quickness to avoid fouls, and to some degree a level of redundancy to ensure that no matter what the offensive player does, there is a defensive player who can effectively (but usually not perfectly) counter. Yao cannot switch a pick and roll, so he's usually taken out.

any other questions?

 

You see how easy it is for people to change others words around I could play your little kiddy games also. Grow up

 

Does Amare have any post moves? I haven't watched him much, but it seems like most of his shots are created for him. But, he's like Landry X 10 in terms of finishing. I suppose with Yao and Scola, the team doesn't need another guy that needs to post up. It didn't work with Dream and Charles. Interesting stuff.

On another note, I'm totally not in favor of giving up a contributing player to get into this draft. Rookies don't win you championships.

 

Stop it Tin you are killing me over here.

 

Great to see this thread descend into a "Yao can't play defense, look he got blocked by Nate Robinson" thread. Basketball seasons are 82+ games and while its not as many as baseball over the course of things almost anything can happen. The way I look at it, I remember seeing KJ's dunk over Hakeem more then just about and highlight of an Hakeem block besides maybe the one on John Starks' three. Does that mean after that KJ was never afraid to take the ball into the lane against Hakeem? 10 -15 yrs. ago Yao would have been an elite defender and he does pretty good in a league that has basically tried to cut the nutz off every big man. He anchors our defense which is consistently one of the top five in the league.

Back on topic, while Amare would certainly be a nice addition to the Rockets, if we did pick him up in a trade it seems he would be the piece we would need to make a deal for Chris Bosh to happen.

 

Good defensive players finds ways to stay in front of their man or find angles to not be taken out of plays. Yao is usually taken out like you said so how is he good at defense?

Basically anyone who is a good defensive player knows how to overcome certain things. Switch on the pick and roll or trap the guy and have another guy step up. Its all 2 easy if you know how 2 play defense.

It makes no sense to keep arguing that Yao is a good defender. The guy had one good or so so year at defense everyone thinks he is a great defender. How many times has this great defender been considered DPOY away or even on the defensive team.

 

Ok if that was the cause then you should have said the 2008 team. And if your going to choose basketball over your life then I've seen it all. Life is more important than basketball. If you are getting at him because of that then idk what to say to that one.

 

this board if not for it's rumors and inside info/activity level would be a joke. all it's become is bashing mcgrady and arguing whether he's done anything for this franchise or not. it's always yao v. mcgrady. who the **** cares, honestly, why don't you guys grow up. there are extremist mcgrady haters like tinman that can't see mcgrady with an objective view because his blatant hate doens't allow him, and other tmac homers their love for tmac overshadows the **** tmac put up this past season..

why don't we talk more about amare in this thread. it's fine to talk about mcgrady, but it's ******* r****ded to start a tmac v. yao battle when this is nothing relevant to the team or this discussion. how bout talking about this

- we don't maximize possessions like the suns
- we don't have a PG like Steve Nash that can run the pick and roll
- we play at a much slower pace
- he sucks defensively, one of the worst in the league
- poor rebounder, questionable attitude

is he that much better than scola on our team to justify trading our starting PG in Brooks and main expiring contract in McGrady and to those haters like tinman or DD has a chance to come back and still contribute (though how much, I have no idea thus the reason why we're so open to trading him, but right now his value is ****, I don't think we can get any sort of good value for him, and if we do trade McGrady, it should and will be at the trade deadline).

we have more pressing issues, depending on the package, amare will be a good addition, but giving up like assets + brooks + tmac might be not exactly what this team is and too many people on this board enamored with the name of amare than actually looking at the facts..

 

What you get with Amare and you will like:
Athleticism
Consistent jump shooting
Great finishing around the basket
Player who moves well without the ball
Overall efficiency on offense
Another fearless player who plays big in big games
Swagger


What you get with Amare and you will NOT like:
A bad defensive player with very little interest in improving
A bad rebounder who fails to box out
Somewhat of a boneheaded player lacking in IQ department
A player who is not very good at moving the ball around
Another often injured player

 

I'd love to see Stoudemire in a Rockets Jersey.

-But I'd only be "for this trade" if Tracy "IS" involved.

-and I'd be "against this trade" if Scola is involved.

Watching to Rockets-Lakers, series once Yao went out, the Rockets were at a disadvantage by being too small. With Amare we get bigger and match up better. Losing Brooks would sux, but sometimes that's the cost of doing business.

 

it's part of that whole "team defense" thing you were talking about earlier. Yao is a fantastic interior defender, and changes the game defensively. you don't judge his defensive capability by his ability to chase guards aroudn the perimeter because he was switched onto them in a pnr in a late game situation. no centers can do that, not even deke, who you yourself rightly acknowledge is a great defender.

i'll prove my point with this. in late game situations like this, who did the rockets sub in for yao? not deke, but chuck. why is that? we all know deke is an incredible defensive presence. so why would they put in someone who is much less accomplished?

the answer: chuck has the defensive skillset the situation demands. it has nothing to do with Yao or Deke's defensive abilities as centers, but everything to do with having the versatility on the floor to counter all of the offense is likeliest to do to get their shot off.

 

I don't think Amare fits on this team... I would take a pass on him unless it's some incredible offer (similar to the Artest deal), which I doubt. I wouldn't give up McGrady for Amare.